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Re: Create React apps using Kotlin

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Post by lomnakkus »

jrs95 wrote: post #19
lf-non wrote: post #11

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Primarily because Kotlin is not a superset of javascript and thus does not inherit the quirks of javascript. Other than that, if your backend is kotlin then you can potentially share (non JVM dependent) business logic code with the backed. Same goes for android clients. Same interfaces can be be used in client and server.

I've never really found a good use case for reusing business logic, but just reusing types is pretty helpful. Although you can also get that via something like Swagger as well.

I too am more of a fan of the Swagger/OpenAPI approach (in general terms), but I find it valuable to be able to share validation logic too. (Unless your validation requirements are extremely simple.)

Of course Swagger/OpenAPI doesn't preclude using the same language on the client and server side, so one could always combine "isomorphic" approach with the "service definition" approach.

Re: Create React apps using Kotlin

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Post by bitL »

askvictor wrote: post #45
specialist wrote: post #34

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Being a grumpy old man: it's not programming if I can't set a breakpoint.

You've obviously never done embedded systems programming. Try debugging timing issues with a breakpoint.

Actually, how do you debug those? If you put in a breakpoint, use DTrace & co or do logger output, you won't likely hit the issue. I did this with super low-level distributed systems and they were mostly resolved by hard thinking and modeling execution path in my head...

Re: Create React apps using Kotlin

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Post by yaseenk »

uglycoyote wrote: post #27

How is the debugging experience? Is there a debugging experience? I'm currently a typescript user and I like what VS code has going on with attaching to chrome and providing debugging within the ide. Source maps are okay but a seamless experience in the source language is better. Does the kotlin IDE have facilities for debugging what is going on in the browser?

You can debug javascript/typescript in IntelliJ but I think it’s an ultimate edition feature only.

Re: Create React apps using Kotlin

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Post by jhall1468 »

nameless912 wrote: post #16
bitL wrote: post #7

Can I use this outside IntelliJ (Atom perhaps)? I despise JavaScript, GWT is underwhelming and Kotlin seems like a nice way to bypass these issues + React is becoming a de-facto standard. IntelliJ became too big/slow/feature creeped and I am not having good time with the latest code completion changes, so I am considering dropping it (PyCharm as well) for something more light-weight.

> React is becoming a de-facto standard The Vue.JS community would beg to differ. But yeah, if JetBrains could implement something like the Rust Language Server for Kotlin I would be so happy.

Well they can disagree, but React is vastly larger (in both usage and community), so I would say his comment stands.

Re: Create React apps using Kotlin

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Post by maxdo »

on_and_off wrote: post #29
maxfurman wrote: post #20

Does this mean that Kotlin -> React -> React Native is feasible too? It's a bit ridiculous on its face, but is there a better way to run Kotlin on iOS? Kotlin is a godsend for Android but if you have to support both platforms one codebase is better

Kotlin Native is what you are looking for. Or maybe j2Objc One codebase for both platforms is not necessarily what you want though. Let me rephrase, it might be what you want for a pretty small app : if you have to create an app for a restaurant with orders and menu, a cross platform solution is probably the best use of your time. For anything bigger, it becomes a harder sell. All these solutions tend to have the sam…

Don’t mix platform and language. Having same language is just 5% of one platform for iOS android and windows. Weex gives also web mobile support btw.

Re: Create React apps using Kotlin

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Post by [deleted] »

bitL wrote: post #39
specialist wrote: post #33

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What's the fix to config mgmt jitter, entropy? Every time I set aside a few hours to do a React tutorial, I'm defeated by the stack. I'm very late to docker. I always liked the idea, but didn't have the immediate need. But Python, trying to fix bugs in someone else's project, has now made that need urgent. After spending WAY TOO MUCH TIME getting the exact right constellation of stuff installed. Switching from macpor…

I think Vagrant is for reproducible development environments.

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Re: Create React apps using Kotlin

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

bitL wrote: post #39
specialist wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the fix to config mgmt jitter, entropy? Every time I set aside a few hours to do a React tutorial, I'm defeated by the stack. I'm very late to docker. I always liked the idea, but didn't have the immediate need. But Python, trying to fix bugs in someone else's project, has now made that need urgent. After spending WAY TOO MUCH TIME getting the exact right constellation of stuff installed. Switching from macpor…

I think Vagrant is for reproducible development environments.

That's the theory ..

Re: Create React apps using Kotlin

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Post by vbezhenar »

maxfurman wrote: post #20

Does this mean that Kotlin -> React -> React Native is feasible too? It's a bit ridiculous on its face, but is there a better way to run Kotlin on iOS? Kotlin is a godsend for Android but if you have to support both platforms one codebase is better

I'm waiting for Kotlin-based React Native alternative without any trace of JavaScript (in mobile). Kotlin JVM for Android and server rendering, Kotlin Native for iOS, Kotlin JavaScript for Web. Makes more sense than JavaScript everywhere.

Re: Create React apps using Kotlin

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Post by vbezhenar »

systems wrote: post #12
bitL wrote: post #7

Can I use this outside IntelliJ (Atom perhaps)? I despise JavaScript, GWT is underwhelming and Kotlin seems like a nice way to bypass these issues + React is becoming a de-facto standard. IntelliJ became too big/slow/feature creeped and I am not having good time with the latest code completion changes, so I am considering dropping it (PyCharm as well) for something more light-weight.

Well, I did comment once on the Koltin Jetbrains forum, about how hard they make to download ... just kotlin ... outside of the jetbrains ide and their response, on their forum, was that they are intentionally make hard to avoid the jetbrains ide while using kotlin now technically you still can, kotlin is open source, and you can download it standalone, if you search hard enough i am not really sure, how jetbrains th…

I think you misunderstood something. You should use Gradle for standalone builds. You definitely don't have to use Idea.
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