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Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

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How much are they paying for power?

For some reason, I never thought of this before, but electricity costs are included in my office lease. I should be mining all the time!

In my experience, most leases that include utility costs will often contain language allowing them to charge you for what they consider excessive or unreasonable usage.

Re: Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

#132

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>Obviously heat pumps are more efficient - that's kinda beside the point though. Only obvious if you know what a heat pump is! Plenty of people will hear "Electrical heating is 100% efficient" and interpret that to mean it's the ideal solution, when in a lot of cases it's just about the worst. But yes, if you have electrical heating, you could throw in some CPUs or ASICs instead and they'll work just as well. The ret…

> Whether it's money positive vs resistive heating Strictly speaking, isn't it just a special case of resistive heating?

It's resistive heating that does something that most resistive heating doesn't do: generate some level of additional income in the form of cryptocurrency.

Re: Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

#133
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That "throwaway" computation ensures the integrity & correctness of the blockchain, all while confirming new transactions.

Funny you're getting down-voted. This is quite literally a true statement. Then the only point of contention is whether the benefit of this secure network existing and what it gives the world outweighs the cost of the resources consumed. I believe it is, by a large amount.

No, that's not the only one. High on the list is, surely there must be some way to accomplish the same quality of network without requiring so much throwaway work.

Re: Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

#134

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But if you'd bought $6k worth of ethereum outright in march it would be worth $90k now. That's why I haven't started mining, it only seems profitable in a sideways market.

That has a different risk profile entirely. I could always resell the video cards I bought at near cost. Buying speculative coins is another matter entirely. Further, I'm not mining ETH - if I took your advice on the coin I am mining I would have a net LOSS not gain. You should take another look at the economics of mining, I think you have a few aspects misunderstood.

I could always resell the video cards I bought at near cost

You sure about that? There are so many miners these days, if the mining market tanks, the used graphics card market will be flooded and prices will likely plummet.

Re: Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

#135

Earning $430 for month by bitcoin mining. What about the electricity costs? If you factor in electricity costs and the money they spent on infrastructure(GPU's and high-end machines), it is a dumb idea. They could have spent $30-50 on heating equipment instead.

Electricity costs are probably subsidized (since otherwise in places where it gets super-cold it wouldn't look nice if people froze to death for inability to pay their power bill).

Electricity costs in Irkutsk (place where the place that the video is describing is located) are 0.7 RUR per 1 kWh for rural areas. That's about 1 cent per kWh. For comparison, California's lowest tariff in about 20c per kWh and if you are consuming a lot (which you'd do if you mine) you'll get over 35c/kWh. If you qualify for low income subsidy, though, you might get it for significantly cheaper :)

Re: Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

#136
post #2

How much are they paying for power?

In Siberia power is paying for you! Seriously though in Irkutsk electricity is about 0.017usd per kilowatt/hour

Here are the prices: http://energovopros.ru/spravochnik/elektrosnabzhenie/tarify-... (if you read Russian, or use Google translate). Yes, pretty close to 1c/kWh.

Re: Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

#137

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In Siberia power is paying for you! Seriously though in Irkutsk electricity is about 0.017usd per kilowatt/hour

How is it produced though? I'm guessing in large parts by fossil fuel.

This one most likely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irkutsk_Hydroelectric_Power_St...

Siberia has huge rivers which are very suitable for building hydroelectric because the accompanying flooding happens in mostly uninhabited areas and thus has relatively little costs.

Re: Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

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In Siberia power is paying for you! Seriously though in Irkutsk electricity is about 0.017usd per kilowatt/hour

For comparison, PG&E E1 baseline for California is currently $0.19979/kWh. As in, 12x more. God help you if you wander from baseline. https://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-1.pdf Even using a time-of-use plan like E6 (which they don't allow any more), off-peak is $0.16728/kWh in the summer, and peak summer is $0.35933/kWh. The ETOU-A and ETOU-B plans they're pushing people toward bottom out at $0.17279/kWh…

That's why SolarCity PPA is so popular - the whole idea is that they shift most of your electricity consumption back into the 1s tier. Probably still not enough for mining though unless you can make a deal where you get way over regular capacity in solar for the same price.

Re: Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

#139

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That has a different risk profile entirely. I could always resell the video cards I bought at near cost. Buying speculative coins is another matter entirely. Further, I'm not mining ETH - if I took your advice on the coin I am mining I would have a net LOSS not gain. You should take another look at the economics of mining, I think you have a few aspects misunderstood.

I could always resell the video cards I bought at near cost You sure about that? There are so many miners these days, if the mining market tanks, the used graphics card market will be flooded and prices will likely plummet.

I can only speak about right now - not the future. I've already made more than my investment so not a big deal for me.

Re: Bitcoin mining heats homes for free in Siberia [video]

#140
post #94

Can someone talk me out of using this to heat my apartment in San Francisco?

Check out electricity prices in SF. Especially the top tier. You probably would be better off burning small-denomination bills for heating. Unless of course you tricked your landlord into covering electricity costs, in which case mine away until police comes to evict you :)
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