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Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by abandonliberty »

user5994461 wrote: post #38
noobermin wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to forget there were and are companies like fedex and ups that deliver things just fine and don't have these issues. It might have something to do with how they train and pay their employees.

Let's not idealize the situation at other delivery companies. Delivering is not a dream job. It'd be interesting to see how much business is B2B and repeated addresses for UPS/Fedex vs Amazon. Amazon is likely to be distinct. High amount of one off consumers. Varying routes every day. Customers being away during delivery. Exactly what ruins a delivery company.

>Let's not idealize the situation at other deliveries company. Delivering is not a dream job.

It's not your dream job. My last cab driver immigrated 16 years ago and has been driving 5pm-5am shift for the last 7 years. Full time delivery is a dream in comparison. I don't think he could send his kids to college on Uber.

It's healthy compared to desk work, doesn't require any extensive training, and relatively low stress.

Be cautious when predicting the behavior of others.

Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by user5994461 »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #49
user5994461 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not idealize the situation at other delivery companies. Delivering is not a dream job. It'd be interesting to see how much business is B2B and repeated addresses for UPS/Fedex vs Amazon. Amazon is likely to be distinct. High amount of one off consumers. Varying routes every day. Customers being away during delivery. Exactly what ruins a delivery company.

> Delivering is not a dream job. Maybe not now, but it used to be. You say that the job and work conditions can't be improved, but the fact that they were better before proves that your statement is false.

What the hell are you talking about? Did you ever do delivery work? It's simply not great.

I'll reckon, any job was better 50 years ago when rent was a fraction of a salary and you could provide for a family on a single income.

Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by user5994461 »

abandonliberty wrote: post #51
user5994461 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not idealize the situation at other delivery companies. Delivering is not a dream job. It'd be interesting to see how much business is B2B and repeated addresses for UPS/Fedex vs Amazon. Amazon is likely to be distinct. High amount of one off consumers. Varying routes every day. Customers being away during delivery. Exactly what ruins a delivery company.

>Let's not idealize the situation at other deliveries company. Delivering is not a dream job. It's not your dream job. My last cab driver immigrated 16 years ago and has been driving 5pm-5am shift for the last 7 years. Full time delivery is a dream in comparison. I don't think he could send his kids to college on Uber. It's healthy compared to desk work, doesn't require any extensive training, and relatively low stre…

Low stress?

Did you ever have to deliver to someone who is away? to an address that doesn't exist? to an address that exists but is located at the wrong place? what when it's inaccessible or has no bell?

That's what you get to deal with every single day, you never know where you gonna be or what's gonna go wrong the next hour. Meanwhile, your delivery time is accounted and customers can complain back about you for anything.

Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by walrus01 »

snapetom wrote: post #6

If this is Amazon's solution to missing packages, it's the wrong one. I've never had an issue with Amazon delivery until they used their own drivers. I now frequently have my packages never arrive (I have cameras on my porch. Not being stolen) and four times in the last six months have received a delivery for someone else. It isn't like a package for my next door neighbor, either. They're packages to addresses up to…

With services like ontrac and their inhouse delivery they are intentionally scraping the bottom of the barrel for small-van delivery operating costs (salary, benefits, recruiting/hiring practices and training, vehicles).

Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by islanderfun »

tlb wrote: post #3

For historical perspective, I remember in 1996 when polls said most people would never use their credit cards to buy things over the internet. Bezos surely remembers that too.

Bingo. We were taught not get in a car with strangers or meet people online. Uber and Tinder are things.

Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by derekp7 »

yeukhon wrote: post #42
ekianjo wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And that system should be open and not tied to a specific delivery company.

Yes. I was looking to build one but I stopped because I have to provide a delivery note. If not major ecommerce website I have to remember to add such note. — will the delivery person sees the note is also a betting game. This dropoff box is nothing but a larger mailbox. BTW in some states in America, your mailbox must meet certain standard....

I thought about building a box that auto-locks when the weight of a package is detected in it. Can be a simple flap on the bottom that moves a latch. The lid would be a double lid -- an outside lid with a key lock, and the inside frame that the flap-activated latch slides into.

Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by noobermin »

user5994461 wrote: post #38
noobermin wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to forget there were and are companies like fedex and ups that deliver things just fine and don't have these issues. It might have something to do with how they train and pay their employees.

Let's not idealize the situation at other delivery companies. Delivering is not a dream job. It'd be interesting to see how much business is B2B and repeated addresses for UPS/Fedex vs Amazon. Amazon is likely to be distinct. High amount of one off consumers. Varying routes every day. Customers being away during delivery. Exactly what ruins a delivery company.

A number of people have already attacked one of your fundamental assumptions about low skilled labor. I think one way to say it is you're making the assumption that what you call "low skilled labor" is in fact "zero skill labor." I think you underestimate the level of skill required to deliver goods efficiently and quickly, and yes, the cost that is involved in it. (to be fair, you seem to be saying that I am overestimating that skill in your first sentence.)

Also, "one off consumers. Varying routes every day." Well, delivery company employees will have precisely fewer of those because their job is to deliver things, seems like the reason not to trust Amazon drivers over Fedex.

Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by sfgeek »

sliken wrote: post #11
snapetom wrote: post #6

If this is Amazon's solution to missing packages, it's the wrong one. I've never had an issue with Amazon delivery until they used their own drivers. I now frequently have my packages never arrive (I have cameras on my porch. Not being stolen) and four times in the last six months have received a delivery for someone else. It isn't like a package for my next door neighbor, either. They're packages to addresses up to…

Had some issues with an amazon delivery and talked to the driver about fixing it for next time. They shrugged and said amazon pays like crap and the driver turn over is high. So high that I'd likely not get the same driver for my next delivery. Does seem like a bad way to run a business. Seems strange for amazon to propose entering into a house instead of just selling a locked box that you and deliveries could use.

And said box would have to be bolted down and made of very strong materials. Very expensive.

And letting a delivery person into your house is a very bad idea, even if they don't make it past the threshold. They see that 100" TV and then their buddies break into your house 2 weeks later.

Good luck getting Police to look into it.

Amazon is trying to cut losses from stolen packages, and get you to pay for it. Via buying one of their cameras. Unless you have Cameras covering every inch of your property. And they don't allow other brands of Cameras.

Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by ghaff »

vmarsy wrote: post #22
snapetom wrote: post #6

If this is Amazon's solution to missing packages, it's the wrong one. I've never had an issue with Amazon delivery until they used their own drivers. I now frequently have my packages never arrive (I have cameras on my porch. Not being stolen) and four times in the last six months have received a delivery for someone else. It isn't like a package for my next door neighbor, either. They're packages to addresses up to…

> If this is Amazon's solution to missing packages, it's the wrong one. The comments when Amazon Key was announced[1] were also giving good reasons why that's not a great package delivery solution. But if you watch the video of the Amazon Key annoucement[2], they mention multiple other scenarios: "maybe let in your dog walker, a friend, or maybe to let in a team of cleaning ninjas" I don't think it's too far-fetched…

>But if you watch the video of the Amazon Key annoucement[2], they mention multiple other scenarios: "maybe let in your dog walker, a friend, or maybe to let in a team of cleaning ninjas"

For which solutions from all the major lock companies (and others) already exist. I can give people who need access to my house custom codes on my Schlage lock. It is an internet-connected thing--although it doesn't really need to be that. And I have found punching in my code is easier than dealing with the app on my phone.

Re: Poll Shows People Don't Want Amazon Deliverers to Have Access to Their Homes

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Post by [deleted] »

noobermin wrote: post #57
user5994461 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not idealize the situation at other delivery companies. Delivering is not a dream job. It'd be interesting to see how much business is B2B and repeated addresses for UPS/Fedex vs Amazon. Amazon is likely to be distinct. High amount of one off consumers. Varying routes every day. Customers being away during delivery. Exactly what ruins a delivery company.

A number of people have already attacked one of your fundamental assumptions about low skilled labor. I think one way to say it is you're making the assumption that what you call "low skilled labor" is in fact "zero skill labor." I think you underestimate the level of skill required to deliver goods efficiently and quickly, and yes, the cost that is involved in it. (to be fair, you seem to be saying that I am overest…

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