So it's like an iPhone 3G after upgrade to iOS 4?
I'm not sure why this is being downvoted. The 3G has serious performance issues under iOS 4:
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> phones that take 5 minutes to switch on, frequently crash and drop calls and explode in to a variety of parts (cover plates, batteries, main boards, buttons and so on) with normal use. Sounds more like an exaggeration
Actually, it isn't. I have sworn my current one is my last nokia. It takes literally forever to start up, and after it seems that it has started up it is frequently still impossible to make calls or look at the call history or the sms messages section. It crashes with some regularity (which is really annoying, because it takes a long time to start up again), it drops calls in the middle of a conversation about two or…
I stopped reading at 'literally forever'.
Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]
#33People forget Nokia doesn't sell phones to their users. They sell phones to telcos. Telcos really don't care whether your phone takes 5 minutes to start or crashes frequently, as long as you pay your monthly bills and buy another subsidized phone down the line extending your contract before you move to a competitor. Telcos profit from crappy phones. And that's why it's important to support a market for unlocked phone…
That might be the case in the US, but the world is so much larger. In Scandinavia (and elsewhere, surely), every manufacturer also sell their phones "bare" (not coupled with a GSM subscription) directly to customers via a million different outlets.
There are also "hybrid" markets, i.e. countries where both models are active. I'm fairly confident this is the case over most European countries.
Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]
#34So it's like an iPhone 3G after upgrade to iOS 4?
No. It's just a crap phone. Accept it.
I accept it.
I'm not saying iPhone is as bad. When I saw the N97 video it immediately reminded me of how my iPhone 3G started behaving after upgrading it to iOS 4 -- lagging, not responding to taps, etc. My response was tongue in cheek.
I'm a happy iPhone 4 user now and would never switch to any other "smartphone", let alone Nokia.
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It sounds like you haven't actually read or understood The Innovator's Dilemma. TID isn't about companies growing too large and making obviously idiotic mistakes - it's hardly worth a book to point out that that might not be the best way to do things. The point of TID is that in certain situations a company can make all the right decisions and still end up losing in the long run to worse products. An industry that's…
I have read it and am fairly confident I understand it. My point was basically that the lower end markets here is the smartphone market. I agree though it might be a stretch as I am turning the metrics upside down. But I don't think it changes the fundamental point. That Nokia is turning themselves out of business by making the "right" decisions.
In what possible way can making a shitty phone and then lying about its capabilities in marketing materials be considered 'making the "right" decisions'?
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
> phones that take 5 minutes to switch on, frequently crash and drop calls and explode in to a variety of parts (cover plates, batteries, main boards, buttons and so on) with normal use. Sounds more like an exaggeration
Actually, it isn't. I have sworn my current one is my last nokia. It takes literally forever to start up, and after it seems that it has started up it is frequently still impossible to make calls or look at the call history or the sms messages section. It crashes with some regularity (which is really annoying, because it takes a long time to start up again), it drops calls in the middle of a conversation about two or…
I am a big fan of the older nokia phones, especially the ones with only two screen colours. I accidentally flung them across rooms, dropped them on sidewalks and even put one through a dryer once. They always still worked and I have only ever replaced them when other people bought me newer models.
However, my latest nokia is shocking compared to the others I have had before it. The case started falling off the back about 3 weeks into using it. It takes around 3 minutes to turn on and freezes without fail every time I try to delete my messages or have a look at my call log. A few friends of mine have experienced similar problems with their more expensive models too.
When I run out of room for messages (because I can't delete them), I'm just going to find out where I packed up my phone from 3 years ago and use that. I'd rather have no internet/camera/mms then try my luck with another new nokia.
Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]
#39Nokia lost the way a couple of years ago. From rock solid software and physically neigh indestructible phones that you could operate in the dark with one hand we've gone to phones that take 5 minutes to switch on, frequently crash and drop calls and explode in to a variety of parts (cover plates, batteries, main boards, buttons and so on) with normal use and that require the memorisation of insane menu structures to…
Two words: Ovi store.
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A mid-range consumer phone that costs $1000? I don't think so.
The N8 will cost about $500 before taxes (and without operator subsidies, i.e. unlocked). Where do you get $1000?
Yes, 370€ unlocked & untaxed according to Nokia: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/nokia-n8-official-...