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Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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There have always been lies, then advertising, and they deserve to be taken to task for that, but what I find surreal is how much computing power in our hands that we take for granted these days. I guess one day kids will complain their microsd sized devices don't project holograms bright enough or in enough colors.

It’s all relative. The N97 certainly would be a awesome phone if there were no Android phones or iPhone. Complaining about something which other companies have no problems achieving is not unreasonable.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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What's with the Nokia doesn't get it part? The market repositioning from smart-phone to mid-range consumer phone and delayed launch of the N8 would seem to suggest that Nokia definitely does get that the N97 was a disaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N8 Disclaimer: I work for Nokia.

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What's with the Nokia doesn't get it part? The market repositioning from smart-phone to mid-range consumer phone and delayed launch of the N8 would seem to suggest that Nokia definitely does get that the N97 was a disaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N8 Disclaimer: I work for Nokia.

A mid-range consumer phone that costs $1000? I don't think so.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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What's with the Nokia doesn't get it part? The market repositioning from smart-phone to mid-range consumer phone and delayed launch of the N8 would seem to suggest that Nokia definitely does get that the N97 was a disaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N8 Disclaimer: I work for Nokia.

I am eagerly waiting for the N8. It will ship for 470€. But I am a bit reluctant to buy it, when I think that the Galaxy S (420€) has tethering, better screen, better processor, better CPU, DivX support out of the box and the Nokia does not. I really hope they get it nailed down with the N8. I don't like Big Brother Google, and the closeness of Apple. A nice, working Symbian Phone would be great. Let's see.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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post #15

What's with the Nokia doesn't get it part? The market repositioning from smart-phone to mid-range consumer phone and delayed launch of the N8 would seem to suggest that Nokia definitely does get that the N97 was a disaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N8 Disclaimer: I work for Nokia.

A mid-range consumer phone that costs $1000? I don't think so.

The N8 will cost about $500 before taxes (and without operator subsidies, i.e. unlocked). Where do you get $1000?

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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People forget Nokia doesn't sell phones to their users. They sell phones to telcos. Telcos really don't care whether your phone takes 5 minutes to start or crashes frequently, as long as you pay your monthly bills and buy another subsidized phone down the line extending your contract before you move to a competitor.

Telcos profit from crappy phones.

And that's why it's important to support a market for unlocked phones and standards like GSM.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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post #7

What Nokia doesn't get is that they can't market their way out of inferior products, not anymore. They have gotten themselves blind on the quantity of phones that they sell and think that the quantity is a proof that they are doing something right. That they just need to claim to have smart phones and the market will obey. It's really quite sad, as this company if any have the ability to be at the forefront. But such…

It's not that Nokia doesn't get it, they just have some catching up to do. Just from understanding what you need to do you can not launch a high tech product over night.

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post #7

What Nokia doesn't get is that they can't market their way out of inferior products, not anymore. They have gotten themselves blind on the quantity of phones that they sell and think that the quantity is a proof that they are doing something right. That they just need to claim to have smart phones and the market will obey. It's really quite sad, as this company if any have the ability to be at the forefront. But such…

It sounds like you haven't actually read or understood The Innovator's Dilemma. TID isn't about companies growing too large and making obviously idiotic mistakes - it's hardly worth a book to point out that that might not be the best way to do things.

The point of TID is that in certain situations a company can make all the right decisions and still end up losing in the long run to worse products.

An industry that's being disrupted is one with higher-end customers served by successful businesses with expensive, high-margin, high-quality products, and less demanding customers being served by businesses with cheaper, lower-margin, inferior products, where the product quality of both segments grows at a faster rate than what the market demands. When the worse product becomes good enough for a large enough segment of the market, the industry swings - disruption.

The "Innovator's Dilemma" is that at any given time prior to the disruption, the right decision for the successful high-end company appears to be to not enter the lower end of the market, because the same investment applied to the current business will yield continued higher return.

Nokia doesn't have an innovator's dilemma here, they have a shitty product that nobody wants.

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