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Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

My Wife will be first in the slammer, English is her second language and she often gets he and she mixed up..

Filipina by any chance?

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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This the reason why services like Gab are on the rise. They guarantee your freedom of speech - which includes "hate speech" - http://wapo.st/2yl0MBP, confirmed by SCOTUS to be legal (http://bit.ly/1V8FdH3).

The reason Google, Facebook, Twitter, Cloudflare are able to get away with outright censorship of what is legally deemed to be free speech, however unpopular or distasteful it may be, is because of archaic laws that do not fit very well with speech over a medium like the internet - the above bad actors all claim private property rights and use those to trump (no pun intended to POTUS :) our constitutionally guaranteed right to (legal) free speech. The scariest/most extreme example of this was Cloudflare's example of its CEO waking up on the wrong foot one day and deciding to remove Daily Stormer's DDOS protections because he felt like it. DS is about as politically incorrect as they get, topping even 4chan's /pol/, IMHO, but it is protected speech.

Until the laws are changed to say that your ownership of a server that hosts my public speech has no right to abridge my expression, this is going to continue ad nauseum... usually through the proliferation of so called "community standards", which is basically another way of saying, "we get to determine what you can say."

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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post #57

>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

What blows my mind is that you believe it. From the same report what White American's (Conservatives's) think/believe: “The political climate is focused on repressing Caucasians, especially white males.” “I believe that BLM and Antifa are terrorist groups and are as antithetical to the United States as any neo-Nazi group or white nationalist group.” “I don’t believe climate change is happening because of humans.” “I…

But, those are just about beliefs. None of those have to do with the establishment of laws. 51% of democrats (a majority!) want to establish a law punishing people for not using the right words.

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In case it's useful to anyone on HN working in/on politics, I've been with some Trump supporting and voting people lately, and my takeaways: - They hate the idea of getting in trouble for using the wrong pronouns for people. A few strongly disliked, and most somewhat disliked, having to use non-traditional pronouns at all. - They were very upset about stories of people being suspended from elementary school after usi…

> - "Don't force it down my throat and I won't force it down yours" > - They were concerned about the decline of religion, and worry that this will lead to more radical extremists (with the radical extremists converting people who feel disenfranchised and purposeless) I'm curious about how they envision remediation of the decline of religion without shoving it down people's throat.

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Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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post #62

>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

Lets not cherry-pick here, 65% of Republicans want to fire people for bending a knee.

That's not the same thing as creating a law. It's the creation of a law that is the issue.

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>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

We are starting to apply the techniques of Newspeak from 1984. By eliminating certain words from the language you can't even think incorrect thoughts anymore.

This has been the case for a while. For better or worse, we no longer use "archaic" terms, instead they've been replaced with more culturally appropriate terms that appear to have identical meanings. Mentally retarded -> mentally challenged/disabled has always kind of baffled me as either can be used as an insult.

Oriental -> East Asian always baffled me too, but not being Asian myself. But I guess it's because we don't call the West the Occidental.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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post #51

>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

My Wife will be first in the slammer, English is her second language and she often gets he and she mixed up..

My Chinese friends do it constantly. I think he/she is gender neutral in Mandarin.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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post #60

Assuming this study is legitimate (which may be a major assumption given the source) it seems to imply the average self-identifying Democrat's views on speech have shifted radically away from the center over the last 10 years. I'd be shocked if these numbers were anywhere nearly as skewed if this poll were taken, say, in the 1990s during the previous blowback against "PC culture." If the government's role in controll…

Colleges shut down controversial discussion, so they ceded the nexus to the Internet- with somewhat predictable results, in my opinion.

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> The survey finds that many microaggressions colleges and universities advise faculty and students to avoid aren’t considered offensive by most people of color. [...] Telling a recent immigrant: “You speak good English”. I don't understand this one. It's an aggression to tell an immigrant they speak good English? People have told me I speak good English, where they aggressive? I guess they could say it in a condesce…

People have said this to me and whenever it comes up I find myself a little put off by it. I'm not "offended" per se and I don't believe that I'm voluntarily making the decision to be put off by it. However, it just seems weird to me that this person automatically assumed that the brown people country I grew up in couldn't teach me how to properly communicate using one of the most important languages in the world.

I definitely agree with you that it's wrong to call it an aggression and there definitely shouldn't be any rules about saying something like that, but I do think there is something wrong with going into a conversation assuming that the other person does not possess a skill because of their ethnicity.

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post #43

I don't have an issue with PC culture. It's a way for us to be trained to show empathy and respect for others. "PC Culture" online gradually trained me to not be homophobic and to become accepting of the LGBT community civil right fight. That's just one of several examples that have helped me evolve in the last decade. If the objections to my speech/actions were silenced or discredited it's a good chance I'd still ha…

It sounds, though, that people used their speech - at a time when their speech was constitutionally protected but neither popular or safe, to change your mind. I think this, among other things, is what Biden may be referring to in his recent comments on freedom of speech.

Yes, I thought about this after I made my comment. I'm looking at my situation in retrospect now that I AGREE with the sentiment that the "PC Culture" was trying to influence me to have. Some other exercising of freedom of speech could be used to influence me to have hateful opinions I suppose. I think the main difference is that usually people agree that being politically correct is good natured in its intent. Opponents of "PC Culture" usually are criticizing people for being overly sensitive which implies that the offenses are legitimate but for whatever reason are not worth sacrificing personal freedoms over.
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