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Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by maxxxxx »

irrational wrote: post #4

>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

We are starting to apply the techniques of Newspeak from 1984. By eliminating certain words from the language you can't even think incorrect thoughts anymore.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by postramus »

In the Information Age most people with an interest in an issue will have already heard “your” opinion on it, because most people have off-the-shelf opinions that have already been widely circulated.

Until etiquette and discourse norms evolve to incorporate this understanding conversations will be frustrating for everyone!

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by Yhippa »

arikr wrote: post #2

In case it's useful to anyone on HN working in/on politics, I've been with some Trump supporting and voting people lately, and my takeaways: - They hate the idea of getting in trouble for using the wrong pronouns for people. A few strongly disliked, and most somewhat disliked, having to use non-traditional pronouns at all. - They were very upset about stories of people being suspended from elementary school after usi…

> - "Don't force it down my throat and I won't force it down yours"

> - They were concerned about the decline of religion, and worry that this will lead to more radical extremists (with the radical extremists converting people who feel disenfranchised and purposeless)

I'm curious about how they envision remediation of the decline of religion without shoving it down people's throat.

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Post by 0xCMP »

arikr wrote: post #2

In case it's useful to anyone on HN working in/on politics, I've been with some Trump supporting and voting people lately, and my takeaways: - They hate the idea of getting in trouble for using the wrong pronouns for people. A few strongly disliked, and most somewhat disliked, having to use non-traditional pronouns at all. - They were very upset about stories of people being suspended from elementary school after usi…

I've seen this as well. The above opinions are held by the majority of trump supporters I know and have been held for a long time before trump.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by PatientTrades »

I have learned over many years, that polling data is rarely ever correct and usually contains a severe bias. This same poll can be conducted by a different organization with the exact same sample population and the finding will be "71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Enhanced Discussions." Both will have data to back up their claim. And that's why polls are one of the worst ways to obtain information

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by drc555 »

choko wrote: post #11
arikr wrote: post #2

In case it's useful to anyone on HN working in/on politics, I've been with some Trump supporting and voting people lately, and my takeaways: - They hate the idea of getting in trouble for using the wrong pronouns for people. A few strongly disliked, and most somewhat disliked, having to use non-traditional pronouns at all. - They were very upset about stories of people being suspended from elementary school after usi…

No offense, but those are all anecdotal observations and include no demographic information. As one person in millions, why do you feel your unscientific observations on this topic are relevant?

he never proclaimed them to be true , it is indeed unscientific observation. what gets under your skin ?

Disclaimer : I am on neither side .

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by sievebrain »

irrational wrote: post #4

>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

Well let's try to understand it. This view must be rooted in the idea that such people have chosen their gender, and therefore chosen their gender pronoun. To not use it then would be like refusing to call someone by their preferred name. I don't know of widespread cases where people refuse to call others by their name after a name change, but I can imagine that if I changed my name and people refused to use my new name I would find that annoying.

That said some trans people seem to want to introduce entirely new pronouns that didn't previously exist. That feels like overreach to me. Changing such a basic part of the language by force is not something to take lightly.

Edit: to clarify, I would not support such a law myself!

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by alexandercrohde »

Overtonwindow wrote: post #16

In my humble opinion, America has fallen into a mindset of righteous indignation. This can be defined as simply one person's opinion is believed to be superior over another, but instead of an understanding that this can be true, or false, or neither, there is an overwhelming compulsion for people to demand their opinion reign supreme, even if it harms the other person. This goes beyond simple disagreement, and takes…

When you say "America has fallen into," it makes it sound like you believe that this is specific to America, and recent.

Was there some historic golden-age that I'm unaware of when people didn't get emotional over political views? (consider the duel of our founding fathers)

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