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Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by choko »

arikr wrote: post #2

In case it's useful to anyone on HN working in/on politics, I've been with some Trump supporting and voting people lately, and my takeaways: - They hate the idea of getting in trouble for using the wrong pronouns for people. A few strongly disliked, and most somewhat disliked, having to use non-traditional pronouns at all. - They were very upset about stories of people being suspended from elementary school after usi…

No offense, but those are all anecdotal observations and include no demographic information. As one person in millions, why do you feel your unscientific observations on this topic are relevant?

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by XR0CSWV3h3kZWg »

> 51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns.

That is pretty absurd.

> 65% of Republicans say NFL players should be fired if they refuse to stand for the anthem.

This more absurd.

EDIT: maybe I got the order of absurdness wrong.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by 2K17 »

arikr wrote: post #2

In case it's useful to anyone on HN working in/on politics, I've been with some Trump supporting and voting people lately, and my takeaways: - They hate the idea of getting in trouble for using the wrong pronouns for people. A few strongly disliked, and most somewhat disliked, having to use non-traditional pronouns at all. - They were very upset about stories of people being suspended from elementary school after usi…

Dislike Trump/Brexit/etc. but voting for those is the only way to express the outlined views anonymously and be heard. That and waste as least money on unjust wellfare-seekers as possible.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by sievebrain »

Spivak wrote: post #9

I think an interesting takeaway for me is that people aren't principled. And of course it's obvious in hindsight, but the scatterbrained nature of this data puts the sheer reality of it right in your face. There's no admonishment intended, this is entirely my err. It's so easy lose touch with humanity on the Internet: discussions are formal, responses are picked apart word-by-word, contradictions are jumped on. But i…

It can also be that a few poll questions aren't sufficient to reveal the nuances behind why people answer certain ways. That said this dataset is invaluable.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by irrational »

>(53%) also agree that “colleges have an obligation to protect students from offensive speech and ideas that could create a difficult learning environment.”

Yeah, but who decides what is offensive speech? If some Catholic students feels abortion or birth control are offensive ideas and discussing them are creating a difficult learning environment, should those ideas be banned from college to protect the students?

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by Overtonwindow »

In my humble opinion, America has fallen into a mindset of righteous indignation. This can be defined as simply one person's opinion is believed to be superior over another, but instead of an understanding that this can be true, or false, or neither, there is an overwhelming compulsion for people to demand their opinion reign supreme, even if it harms the other person. This goes beyond simple disagreement, and takes on a malicious form to silence disagreement, force acquiescence, and punish dissenters.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by sievebrain »

choko wrote: post #11
arikr wrote: post #2

In case it's useful to anyone on HN working in/on politics, I've been with some Trump supporting and voting people lately, and my takeaways: - They hate the idea of getting in trouble for using the wrong pronouns for people. A few strongly disliked, and most somewhat disliked, having to use non-traditional pronouns at all. - They were very upset about stories of people being suspended from elementary school after usi…

No offense, but those are all anecdotal observations and include no demographic information. As one person in millions, why do you feel your unscientific observations on this topic are relevant?

Polling and statistical generalisations hide a lot of detail - they can generally identify the what, but whether they get the why is much more hit and miss.

Most obviously without anecdotal reports on what people believe, pollsters would not know what questions to ask.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by southphillyman »

I don't have an issue with PC culture. It's a way for us to be trained to show empathy and respect for others. "PC Culture" online gradually trained me to not be homophobic and to become accepting of the LGBT community civil right fight. That's just one of several examples that have helped me evolve in the last decade. If the objections to my speech/actions were silenced or discredited it's a good chance I'd still have those myopic views

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by rapsey »

choko wrote: post #11
arikr wrote: post #2

In case it's useful to anyone on HN working in/on politics, I've been with some Trump supporting and voting people lately, and my takeaways: - They hate the idea of getting in trouble for using the wrong pronouns for people. A few strongly disliked, and most somewhat disliked, having to use non-traditional pronouns at all. - They were very upset about stories of people being suspended from elementary school after usi…

No offense, but those are all anecdotal observations and include no demographic information. As one person in millions, why do you feel your unscientific observations on this topic are relevant?

I'm a trump supporter and I agree with all of those and I doubt many fellow supporters disagree with anything of it either.
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