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Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by choko »

drc555 wrote: post #27
choko wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but those are all anecdotal observations and include no demographic information. As one person in millions, why do you feel your unscientific observations on this topic are relevant?

he never proclaimed them to be true , it is indeed unscientific observation. what gets under your skin ? Disclaimer : I am on neither side .

Nothing is really "under my skin", I just don't see how these observations about a few select Trump supporters are valuable in the grand scheme of things. It comes across as stereotyping.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by irrational »

sievebrain wrote: post #29
irrational wrote: post #4

>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

Well let's try to understand it. This view must be rooted in the idea that such people have chosen their gender, and therefore chosen their gender pronoun. To not use it then would be like refusing to call someone by their preferred name. I don't know of widespread cases where people refuse to call others by their name after a name change, but I can imagine that if I changed my name and people refused to use my new n…

Wanting people to call you by a certain pronoun isn't the issue at all. Its creating a law that punishes people if they don't call you by your chosen pronoun. A law. Seriously, a law. I'm trying to think of any other laws that punish people if they don't say certain words.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by geebee »

southphillyman wrote: post #19

I don't have an issue with PC culture. It's a way for us to be trained to show empathy and respect for others. "PC Culture" online gradually trained me to not be homophobic and to become accepting of the LGBT community civil right fight. That's just one of several examples that have helped me evolve in the last decade. If the objections to my speech/actions were silenced or discredited it's a good chance I'd still ha…

It sounds, though, that people used their speech - at a time when their speech was constitutionally protected but neither popular or safe, to change your mind.

I think this, among other things, is what Biden may be referring to in his recent comments on freedom of speech.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by alexandercrohde »

southphillyman wrote: post #19

I don't have an issue with PC culture. It's a way for us to be trained to show empathy and respect for others. "PC Culture" online gradually trained me to not be homophobic and to become accepting of the LGBT community civil right fight. That's just one of several examples that have helped me evolve in the last decade. If the objections to my speech/actions were silenced or discredited it's a good chance I'd still ha…

I think this is the "pot of gold" that people employing political correctness are hoping for.

What's unclear is: A) Is this largely effective? B) What are the side-effects of this?

For example, let's suppose the way PC worked was the same, but the topic was reversed. Let's say that "anti-American" (criticizing the executive) views were labeled as xenophobic and politically offensive.

Would that serve to increase political consensus or intensify resentful disagreement?

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by civilian »

sievebrain wrote: post #29
irrational wrote: post #4

>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

Well let's try to understand it. This view must be rooted in the idea that such people have chosen their gender, and therefore chosen their gender pronoun. To not use it then would be like refusing to call someone by their preferred name. I don't know of widespread cases where people refuse to call others by their name after a name change, but I can imagine that if I changed my name and people refused to use my new n…

I agree that I would also find it annoying. We also have social mechanics around asking people's names, and referring to them when we don't know their name.

I think one of the big complaints about the gendered pronouns is that there's no established social path for this. How do you predetermine the preferred gender pronoun of people? You should try a social experiment--- you should ask the preferred pronoun of everyone you interact with today. It'll be awkward, and it might even get you punched.

Conservatives are saying: "hey, it's ridiculous to try to create a law about this, when it's possible to break this law in a truly innocent way."

coffeefilterbrain, I'd also just like to point that we have no law against calling someone the wrong name, and it's generally regarded as a childish thing to do. So I think conservatives feel that SJWs are trying to apply a legal solution to a problem that has a social solution.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by gfodor »

XR0CSWV3h3kZWg wrote: post #12

> 51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. That is pretty absurd. > 65% of Republicans say NFL players should be fired if they refuse to stand for the anthem. This more absurd. EDIT: maybe I got the order of absurdness wrong.

The first indicates that the government should regulate verbal speech of pronouns of its citizens, the second indicates that NFL team owners a) should have the right to terminate employees for not standing for the anthem and b) ought to do so since (assumingly) it is interpreted as being disrespectful to the dead by either themselves or the fans.

The latter seems to be a controversial but sane thing to expect someone to believe in. The former is 1984-level insanity. Not sure how you can compare the two.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by mFixman »

irrational wrote: post #42
sievebrain wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well let's try to understand it. This view must be rooted in the idea that such people have chosen their gender, and therefore chosen their gender pronoun. To not use it then would be like refusing to call someone by their preferred name. I don't know of widespread cases where people refuse to call others by their name after a name change, but I can imagine that if I changed my name and people refused to use my new n…

Wanting people to call you by a certain pronoun isn't the issue at all. Its creating a law that punishes people if they don't call you by your chosen pronoun. A law. Seriously, a law. I'm trying to think of any other laws that punish people if they don't say certain words.

There are already hate crime laws against other minorities.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by humanrebar »

sievebrain wrote: post #29
irrational wrote: post #4

>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

Well let's try to understand it. This view must be rooted in the idea that such people have chosen their gender, and therefore chosen their gender pronoun. To not use it then would be like refusing to call someone by their preferred name. I don't know of widespread cases where people refuse to call others by their name after a name change, but I can imagine that if I changed my name and people refused to use my new n…

> I can imagine that if I changed my name and people refused to use my new name I would find that annoying.

It would also be annoying if my preferred pronoun was "sir" or "his/her majesty". That's an absurd example, obviously, but it's not entirely up to individuals to control language in their vicinity.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by ng12 »

sievebrain wrote: post #29
irrational wrote: post #4

>51% of Democrats support a law that requires Americans use transgender people’s preferred gender pronouns. This one blows my mind. A law that punishes people if they don't use certain words? I just... I can't even... Wow.

Well let's try to understand it. This view must be rooted in the idea that such people have chosen their gender, and therefore chosen their gender pronoun. To not use it then would be like refusing to call someone by their preferred name. I don't know of widespread cases where people refuse to call others by their name after a name change, but I can imagine that if I changed my name and people refused to use my new n…

> To not use it then would be like refusing to call someone by their preferred name

So? I don't have to call you anything. I can call you Bob or Samantha or Dingus O'Frankenstein. Legally you can't do anything about it.

Re: Poll: 71% of Americans Say Political Correctness Has Silenced Discussions

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Post by civilian »

2K17 wrote: post #40
maxxxxx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are starting to apply the techniques of Newspeak from 1984. By eliminating certain words from the language you can't even think incorrect thoughts anymore.

They banned ad banners with attractive people having nice toned bodies in London Tube, too bad you cannot outlaw being attractive in real life :).

You'd enjoy "Harrison Bergeron", a short story by Kurt Vonnegut http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html
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