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Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Apple's position on privacy also led me to switch to iCloud recently. I migrated my mail and drive to iCloud (from GMail, Google Drive) for this very reason and while there isn't always a 1-1 feature parity, I prefer to know that my data won't be used to analyze and categorize me for the purpose of advertising.

iCloud isnt safe though [1]

[1] https://www.popsci.com/apple-cares-about-your-privacy-unless...

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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You can’t do that. It’s China. It’s one of the largest markets on Earth and Apple is a public company. Cook would immediately be fired by the board. They’d put someone new in, and that someone new would comply with China’s demand. And no one would be better off. As Cook says at least Apple does the best they can and holds the line on other things like encrypting iMessage.

> You can’t do that. It’s China. It’s one of the largest markets on Earth and Apple is a public company. Cook would immediately be fired by the board. They’d put someone new in, and that someone new would comply with China’s demand. Somehow, that didn't happen when Google effectively withdrew from China.

Apple's business requires physical presence. Google's largely doesn't.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Nor as private as you wish.

As someone who does own an iPhone i'm genuinely curious what your largest concerns are about its privacy

Apple's documented history of working with the NSA to undermine the privacy of its users: PRISM. Tim Cook struck that deal with the NSA and remains CEO today.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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I work closely with Apple so need to post anonymously. I believed everything in this until something that happened in late July this past summer. In China, their fastest-growing market, China demanded all secure messaging and VPN apps be removed from the App Store and Apple complied.[1] So privacy matters, unless it's in your fastest-growing market. I intend to discuss with Tim next time I see him. 1: https://techcru…

Never forget people, Apple's emphasis on privacy is only a means to an end, that end being "making money". If Apple needs to relax privacy to help its bottom line, it will, as this example so incisively demonstrates.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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The iPhone is unbelievably fragile, before you look at the high price. Apple bends over backwards to deny the existence of design flaws, to the point of blaming users for doing it wrong. Despite this I am seriously considering an iPhone, their stance on privacy is the only reason.

The only real reason I haven't switched is because they won't give me control of my phone. At least with Android I can root it, install custom roms, and mess with pretty much any non-google software that I have on there. Android is far from perfect, and I still hate it, but at least I can still control most of it.

> At least with Android I can root it,

and not just you :P

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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post #49

Apple's position on privacy also led me to switch to iCloud recently. I migrated my mail and drive to iCloud (from GMail, Google Drive) for this very reason and while there isn't always a 1-1 feature parity, I prefer to know that my data won't be used to analyze and categorize me for the purpose of advertising.

What makes you claim (implicitly) that Google, Dropbox, etc. are selling data from your email or storage accounts?

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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I’m a big fan of this - want to point out that the motivation behind this is as much economic as it is philosophical. Apple’s stance on privacy is 100% in their economic interest because it negatively impacts Google, Facebook and Amazon’s data-driven business models without Apple looking like a bad actor in the ecosystem. These companies are its biggest threats in software and it puts moats around Apple’s hardware business

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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post #58

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Europe may have strong laws regarding privacy. Those laws don’t apply to government requests. That’s a difference.

Germanys data protection laws bind the government too. The government cannot request any data they like without a valid reason (though still too much in my opinion).

There are a lot of checks in the US that require a "valid reason", but in the end the people granting those requests tend to rubber stamp everything that goes across their desk, and the only rejections are for people who make errors on the request form.

It might stop a really egregious violation (spying on political rivals for example), but for general public the protection is pretty weak.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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I work closely with Apple so need to post anonymously. I believed everything in this until something that happened in late July this past summer. In China, their fastest-growing market, China demanded all secure messaging and VPN apps be removed from the App Store and Apple complied.[1] So privacy matters, unless it's in your fastest-growing market. I intend to discuss with Tim next time I see him. 1: https://techcru…

Thank you, thank you so much for pointing out this. Really appreciated!

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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What is the correct move? Refuse to follow the law and withdraw from the market completely? How about when Apple removed apps from developers based in Iran because of US sanctions? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/technology/apple-iran.htm...

>Refuse to follow the law and withdraw from the market completely? That's exactly what Google did: https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-approach-to-chin...

Wasn’t that a response of one of their Chinese offices being hacked with the intention of corporate espionage?

As far as I’m aware, from a privacy perspective, Google never had moral problems doing business in China. They’re just using it as a convenient excuse that makes them look good.

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