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Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Apple's position on privacy also led me to switch to iCloud recently. I migrated my mail and drive to iCloud (from GMail, Google Drive) for this very reason and while there isn't always a 1-1 feature parity, I prefer to know that my data won't be used to analyze and categorize me for the purpose of advertising.

How did you do this without changing your email address?

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think its more complicated than that. There are reports that Apple has an internal committee, including a high level executive, dubbed their "privacy czars" which are required to unanimously sign off on any instance of user data collection, and this committee has actively limited products like Siri over concerns [1] There's also the San Bernadino customer letter, which has become a defining point in their privacy h…

Are you disgreeing with him/her? I cannot tell lol. May you please elaborate on this > Apple is fundamentally different. What you said is just a little confusing considering that they all (the companies you mentioned) manufacturer hardware in some capacity.

Apple's advertising customers certainly felt they were doing things differently.

>advertisers became increasingly perturbed that Apple refused to give them access to the wealth of data iAd had on its consumers from Apple's hundreds of millions of iTunes accounts. And it moved slowly to keep up with the latest ad-tech developments, such as cross-device retargeting.

Stefan Bardega, media agency ZenithOptimedia's chief digital officer, told us: "iAd has long been a story of unfulfilled potential. Apple has unique customer-level data that is hugely interesting to advertisers but has struggled (despite talented sales teams) to access that data in a way that doesn't conflict with the core business."

Another media-agency director who asked not to be named told us iAd got little support from the wider Apple organization

He said: "For me, they never understood that they needed to behave like a media owner, rather they could go it alone charging what they wanted, not sharing data, no third-party tracking

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-apple-is-pulling-direct-s...

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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post #51
post #49

Apple's position on privacy also led me to switch to iCloud recently. I migrated my mail and drive to iCloud (from GMail, Google Drive) for this very reason and while there isn't always a 1-1 feature parity, I prefer to know that my data won't be used to analyze and categorize me for the purpose of advertising.

How did you do this without changing your email address?

There's not a great way unfortunately. I just switched all of my accounts that send transactional emails (Amazon receipts, Uber, etc) over to iCloud and then forwarded my old Gmail. There's no turn-key method I'm aware of, but It was important to me that I could have my purchase and trip logs stored somewhere that respects my privacy.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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fun little incident this morning - with my wifi off, I logged into iCloud.com to change my primary AppleID e-mail address from an .edu to icloud.com address (https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/31/apple-id-third-party-em...

Interesting location identification for the request origination - https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9rtg1igl73gf67/where.png?dl=0

Now, I've seen 2FA requests a couple hundred miles off, but this is _way_ off. I'm in the suburbs of metropolitan Detroit.

For a lark, I googled 'NSA Texas' - https://goo.gl/maps/rb1AhG3EiE62

Hello NSA! You might want to review the process on that one.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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fun little incident this morning - with my wifi off, I logged into iCloud.com to change my primary AppleID e-mail address from an .edu to icloud.com address ( https://www.macrumors.com/2017/10/31/apple-id-third-party-em... Interesting location identification for the request origination - https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9rtg1igl73gf67/where.png?dl=0 Now, I've seen 2FA requests a couple hundred miles off, but this is _way_…

Or in actuality, it’s just sloppy IP geolocation.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Would this be a fair assessment: ? Facebook, Microsoft and Google collect all your private information and share it with themselves, the government and some with the advertisement industry. Apple collects some of your private information and is forced to share it with themselves, Nuance and the government (subvertly see snowden and interpolate). Amazon is in a special position.

> some with the advertisement industry

I'm always interested when people say this. Say I want to buy some person's data. Is there a way I can do that with Facebook, Microsoft, or Google?

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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I work closely with Apple so need to post anonymously. I believed everything in this until something that happened in late July this past summer. In China, their fastest-growing market, China demanded all secure messaging and VPN apps be removed from the App Store and Apple complied.[1] So privacy matters, unless it's in your fastest-growing market. I intend to discuss with Tim next time I see him. 1: https://techcru…

What is the correct move? Refuse to follow the law and withdraw from the market completely?

How about when Apple removed apps from developers based in Iran because of US sanctions?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/technology/apple-iran.htm...

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Reading about all of this is so surreal for me as a German. I read about these "great" policy and all I can think is ... "so, they do the minimum required" .. what's there to praise? Then I remember how US (companies) tend to think about privacy and get very sad. Stronger penalties for anyone breaking relevant privacy rules cannot come fast enough.

Europe may have strong laws regarding privacy. Those laws don’t apply to government requests. That’s a difference.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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I work closely with Apple so need to post anonymously. I believed everything in this until something that happened in late July this past summer. In China, their fastest-growing market, China demanded all secure messaging and VPN apps be removed from the App Store and Apple complied.[1] So privacy matters, unless it's in your fastest-growing market. I intend to discuss with Tim next time I see him. 1: https://techcru…

China is indeed a major exception to most tech companies policies. It's either play by their rules or don't do business in that country, and unfortunately it's not just Apple who makes the financial decision over the human rights decision.

It's one of those things we choose not to talk about because it's very uncomfortable to see where our loyalties actually lie.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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post #57

I work closely with Apple so need to post anonymously. I believed everything in this until something that happened in late July this past summer. In China, their fastest-growing market, China demanded all secure messaging and VPN apps be removed from the App Store and Apple complied.[1] So privacy matters, unless it's in your fastest-growing market. I intend to discuss with Tim next time I see him. 1: https://techcru…

What is the correct move? Refuse to follow the law and withdraw from the market completely? How about when Apple removed apps from developers based in Iran because of US sanctions? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/technology/apple-iran.htm...

>Refuse to follow the law and withdraw from the market completely?

Your tone of voice seems to indicate you don't think that's actually an option.

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