I can no longer recommend MailChimp

Post by austinjp » Wed, Nov 01, 2017, 8:43 AM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #96

austinjp wrote: post #58

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Forgive the naivety, can you explain a little? From what I understand from this: You sent emails from AWS to subscribers. Some recipients hit the spam button in Gmail. You received a message for every email that had been flagged as spam, including the recipient details. Is that correct? What exactly happens when I hit the spam button in Gmail?

Gmail parses the email for an unsubscribe link and asks if you want to unsubscribe. If you say yes, it follows the link for you. See this: https://lifehacker.com/5319723/gmail-offers-to-automatically...

Post by BillinghamJ » Wed, Nov 01, 2017, 8:54 AM UTC

austinjp wrote: post #132

BillinghamJ wrote: post #64

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Yes that’s correct. Email senders are informed when you mark email as spam so they can add you to an unsubscribe list automatically.

This is very odd. I thought the "mark as spam" button was entirely within Gmail. I had no idea it sent a message to the email sender. Is this standard? It seems counter productive, since it confirms the spam was received. I want it to fail silently and disappear forever. What should I be doing, to achieve silent spam disposal within Gmail? I hope I don't have to set filters myself, that would defeat the entire purpos…

Post by notahacker » Wed, Nov 01, 2017, 9:37 AM UTC

alloyed wrote: post #107

notahacker wrote: post #62

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Yeah, don't understand some of the responses which seem to assume this change will make MailChimp any more spammer-friendly. If you want to spam with MailChimp (or for that matter most other list providers) you import the long list of people you want to spam in csv form and disregard warnings about only importing emails from people if they've previously expressed interest in receiving notifications from you. Double o…

The concern here is revenge-spam: someone takes your email and submits it to every mailchimp default form they can find automatically, and then your inbox is flooded with ostensibly legitimate email that you have to manually unsubscribe from, for each individual list.

Post by hgears » Wed, Nov 01, 2017, 10:39 AM UTC

dharmon wrote: post #2

They haven't "gone bananas". Removing double opt-in means more subscribers, which means higher revenue for them. Their revenue is based on subscriber counts, no matter how they were obtained. I hope everyone else does what I do: any bulk emails I did not subscribe to get marked as spam in gmail. Even a company the size of mailchimp can't cycle and "warm" email servers fast enough if a critical mass of people are tagg…

Post by rlpb » Wed, Nov 01, 2017, 11:31 AM UTC

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #45

stefan69 wrote: post #26

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I suspect they would use different IP addresses for deliverability depending on a single or double opt-in subscription in order to manage that risk. That would be the sensible think to do at least.

That might work against the primitive RBLs like SpamHaus, that rely on DNS-style blacklisting. In the world of carrier-grade email providers, they outsource spam scoring to one (or more) of a selection of about 3 vendors (Symantec, CloudMark come to mind). These systems also score against the sending domain, among a number of other factors. Source: my best friend is a lead engineer at a carrier-grade email provider.…