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Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

#121
"We (the makers of Airborn OS) won't be able to read them even if we wanted to."

I take such claims with a huge grain of salt on the web. YOU serve the Javascript. YOU can change it at any time to phone home what I wrote. No point in trying to change it with the Web alone - that's how it's designed. The server must be trusted at all times.

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#122

The whole idea of "cloud computing" is innately terrible on virtually every level. Those willing to entrust their data and the integrity of their data to any third party are either not very informed or not very smart(especially given the virtually daily reports of hacks, data breaches, and corporate malfeasance). This is especially true for word processing, which even the lowest capacity machines have the capability…

People only do what they perceive to be beneficial to them. People use the cloud because it is actually better.

Put your actions where your mouth is. Make the experience of local files better than the cloud and then we can talk.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

#123

The whole idea of "cloud computing" is innately terrible on virtually every level. Those willing to entrust their data and the integrity of their data to any third party are either not very informed or not very smart(especially given the virtually daily reports of hacks, data breaches, and corporate malfeasance). This is especially true for word processing, which even the lowest capacity machines have the capability…

I’m willing to trade the privacy of documents that, were they made available to a malicious actor, would make no difference to me in the slightest, for the convenience, availability, and shareability that cloud document services provide.

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#124

The whole idea of "cloud computing" is innately terrible on virtually every level. Those willing to entrust their data and the integrity of their data to any third party are either not very informed or not very smart(especially given the virtually daily reports of hacks, data breaches, and corporate malfeasance). This is especially true for word processing, which even the lowest capacity machines have the capability…

The odds of you losing your hard drive and flash drive in a house fire are significantly higher than the odds of you losing data on S3.

Got any actual numbers on that? In sweden as an example 100 people die of house fires each year (of around 10 mil), while most governmental agencies have been hacked containing the data of all those in the populous... Aka one databreach of a third party can result in alot more people get hurt than if you keep your data regionally (off site data storage is also no uncommon - aka store a backup in the garage or shed) meaning if the data was stored individually people would still be less protected than the gov. but collecting all that data would require something like 5 eyes and it's turn the data is alot more safe.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

#125

The whole idea of "cloud computing" is innately terrible on virtually every level. Those willing to entrust their data and the integrity of their data to any third party are either not very informed or not very smart(especially given the virtually daily reports of hacks, data breaches, and corporate malfeasance). This is especially true for word processing, which even the lowest capacity machines have the capability…

The alternative usually is to put your trust in a piece of software that you don't actually know, unless you have the technical knowledge and time to review it yourself. It seems that most times you will be changing the cloud for a illusion of control.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

#126
post #118
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no :) I did indeed not implement OT, but it's also a true story that I would create a Google Doc and share it, nobody knows what to write, I type a sentence, and my classmates delete it as a joke, to mess with me :) But yeah, feedback on the collaboration is welcome. Do you think editing one sentence with multiple people is necessary, and if so why? And on the other end of the spectrum, Word-style edit reques…

I for one welcome this decision. I would perhaps limit the locking to one sentence at a time (which may split into several after editing) rather than a paragraph, and with an optional timeout for inactivity. I am a big fan of open source alternatives to Google and Facebook (see Qbix). Do you mind if I contact you?

should give users the ability to lock specific regions by selecting them

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

#127

The whole idea of "cloud computing" is innately terrible on virtually every level. Those willing to entrust their data and the integrity of their data to any third party are either not very informed or not very smart(especially given the virtually daily reports of hacks, data breaches, and corporate malfeasance). This is especially true for word processing, which even the lowest capacity machines have the capability…

> especially given the virtually daily reports of hacks, data breaches

This is exactly the problem we're trying to solve, though: https://www.airbornos.com/docs/security

> Entrusting your data and your capacity to work to a third party should be avoided unless you have absolutely no other choice.

I sympathize with this concern, although in some cases, being able to read and edit documents from your phone, and collaborate on them, is very useful, and that requires some kind of cloud service. But I would very much like to implement things to alleviate these concerns – bulk export/backup, offline access, etc. If Airborn OS ever goes down, I'll make it easier and provide instructions to self-host.

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

#128
post #121

"We (the makers of Airborn OS) won't be able to read them even if we wanted to." I take such claims with a huge grain of salt on the web. YOU serve the Javascript. YOU can change it at any time to phone home what I wrote. No point in trying to change it with the Web alone - that's how it's designed. The server must be trusted at all times.

Here's a description of what we've done to solve that problem: https://www.airbornos.com/docs/security

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

#129
post #127

The whole idea of "cloud computing" is innately terrible on virtually every level. Those willing to entrust their data and the integrity of their data to any third party are either not very informed or not very smart(especially given the virtually daily reports of hacks, data breaches, and corporate malfeasance). This is especially true for word processing, which even the lowest capacity machines have the capability…

> especially given the virtually daily reports of hacks, data breaches This is exactly the problem we're trying to solve, though: https://www.airbornos.com/docs/security > Entrusting your data and your capacity to work to a third party should be avoided unless you have absolutely no other choice. I sympathize with this concern, although in some cases, being able to read and edit documents from your phone, and collabo…

>I sympathize with this concern, although in some cases, being able to read and edit documents from your phone, and collaborate on them, is very useful, and that requires some kind of cloud service.

Not being able to read and edit documents from your phone when the cloud locks you out of your document is also a concern (above and beyond all the concerns about security, privacy, and not being in control of your own data).

>Imagine you're working on a Google Doc when, seemingly out of nowhere, your ability to edit the online file gets revoked. What you see instead is an error message indicating that you've violated Google's terms of service.

>For anyone who stores work in the cloud, suddenly being unable to access your data — especially due to a terms of service violation — may sound scary. And it's really happening to some people, according to reports on Twitter. Rachael Bale, a wildlife crime reporter for National Geographic, said Tuesday that a draft of her story was "frozen" by Google.

>Others have reported similar errors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2017/10/31...

Re: Show HN: Airborn – Private Google Docs Alternative

#130
post #118
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and no :) I did indeed not implement OT, but it's also a true story that I would create a Google Doc and share it, nobody knows what to write, I type a sentence, and my classmates delete it as a joke, to mess with me :) But yeah, feedback on the collaboration is welcome. Do you think editing one sentence with multiple people is necessary, and if so why? And on the other end of the spectrum, Word-style edit reques…

I for one welcome this decision. I would perhaps limit the locking to one sentence at a time (which may split into several after editing) rather than a paragraph, and with an optional timeout for inactivity. I am a big fan of open source alternatives to Google and Facebook (see Qbix). Do you mind if I contact you?

Sure! info at .
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