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We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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BTW, this is a 'solved' problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_problem

The optimal solution only picks the best candidate 37% of the time.

That was not my reading of it. To me, given a large enough pool (~20+), you can statistically assume you'll get a top 10% candidate with this method, at least that is what i read.

Still, this method at least has some structure to it. As opposed to the anecdotes that the rest of the thread is.

Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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I'd rather not denigrate a specific employer. The reality is that they bill your time to the government a certain way based on your qualifications, and the contract specifies what qualifications you're expected to have. If you grow or change in some way the contract doesn't capture, they can't give you a raise without losing money (since the contract pays them the same). So classically you have to switch to another j…

So were you employed by one of the companies on the list I gave or were you just sharing your experience with defense contracting in general?

Actually, not on the list, even though I worked in two (of the bigger) companies, and one of the ones on your list was across the street on solutions drive in McLean, VA, from where I worked :).

Also, that company would compensate you to get a master's degree.

Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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"Then I throw them in the deep end of the pool to see how they cope in the unknown." That's a good sign that the tech interview process is very broken.

> That's a good sign that the tech interview process is very broken That could be the case, or maybe at that stage we're past a verbal phone screening, 1. interview, and they've been selected for the last round of interviews. They know before hand what the nature of the interview will be, including the "deep end of the pool" question. It is far and away the best way I've found to see how well they can adapt to new th…

Do people interviewing for orthopedic surgeon positions often get randomly asked about the latest antipsychotics in job interviews?

Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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it's fun for text-based debate, but aren't you just ignoring the greater contextual situation for the sake of argument? the distance between anonymous internet comments and professional discourse is wider than what you're implying

Why should the distance between between anonymous internet comments and professional discourse be wide? If your comment is about professional matters then you should have enough professionalism to make you point appropriately.

i mean, from my understanding of the english language, these kinds of things are usually contextual based on the medium, not the content of the message. i suppose everyone has their different interpretations, though

Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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I don't like resumes as 98% of each is probably bullshit unless the candidate is a truly amazing rockstar with 10+ years of valid experience. As a result any heuristic applied to resumes is just as worthless as most candidates. When I have interviewed in the past I literally stopped reading once I see contact information and save reading it for during the interview. If the contact information is not the first thing o…

You've mentioned several ways to reduce the number of candidates that you consider for each role, but I don't see how any of it leads to better quality hires.

Candidates that need a coding crutch are less valuable than candidates that don't. Likewise candidates they are so petty or so completely lacking of confidence to perform without their preferred toy are less valuable and less flexible than those candidates who can perform in the actual technologies.

If this is a measure to eliminate candidates who are ultimately less interested in doing the work then so be it.

Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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I don't like resumes as 98% of each is probably bullshit unless the candidate is a truly amazing rockstar with 10+ years of valid experience. As a result any heuristic applied to resumes is just as worthless as most candidates. When I have interviewed in the past I literally stopped reading once I see contact information and save reading it for during the interview. If the contact information is not the first thing o…

>I would tell them jQuery isn't available in this job. Half would immediately drop out. Good. Unless the job description made clear why it wasn't available, I would take this as a sign of a toxic workplace and avoid it. It isn't about jQuery being banned, it is about the type of workplace where jQuery is not only banned, but such a ban is mentioned early in the interview process. I guess if you want people who are ok…

> I would take this as a sign of a toxic workplace and avoid it.

You avoided explaining this. If eliminating unnecessary abstraction is offensive to you then I would be more happy to eliminate you from employment consideration at the earliest possible moment so that I don't waste your time.

Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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So here's the thing... hiring at larger, growing companies often means weeding through a stack of a hundred resumes, for one or two or five roles. Most of those resumes need to go away. The interview process, for competent candidates, is going to cost you at bare minimum a half hour of one person's time for initial screening. A quality interview is going to take a couple of hours each for a few important people - man…

I don't like resumes as 98% of each is probably bullshit unless the candidate is a truly amazing rockstar with 10+ years of valid experience. As a result any heuristic applied to resumes is just as worthless as most candidates. When I have interviewed in the past I literally stopped reading once I see contact information and save reading it for during the interview. If the contact information is not the first thing o…

Have you tried recursively applying your own statement about heuristics to your own heuristics? The only thing you are doing is declaring that your own simplified view of the world is truer than other people's simplified view of the world. At least most people are self conscious enough to know that the simplifications lose information but is somewhat unavoidable due to amount.

Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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I don't like resumes as 98% of each is probably bullshit unless the candidate is a truly amazing rockstar with 10+ years of valid experience. As a result any heuristic applied to resumes is just as worthless as most candidates. When I have interviewed in the past I literally stopped reading once I see contact information and save reading it for during the interview. If the contact information is not the first thing o…

I fail to see what's good about your approach. I suppose if your company has a lot of pointless bullshit that doesn't apply to the actual problem, then yeah, you're selecting for people who either are willing or have no other alternative.

> I fail to see what's good about your approach.

It was pretty clear in that the primary motivation was to eliminate candidates who either lack confidence or competence so that you can spend more quality time with those candidates who care more about the respective skills.

I don't know you, but I am guessing from your highly defensive tone that you likely fall into one of the categories I described in the previous paragraph. If this means of candidate elimination is emotionally offensive you should ask yourself why. When candidates exceed the number of openings somebody must be eliminated.

Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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post #558

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I don't like resumes as 98% of each is probably bullshit unless the candidate is a truly amazing rockstar with 10+ years of valid experience. As a result any heuristic applied to resumes is just as worthless as most candidates. When I have interviewed in the past I literally stopped reading once I see contact information and save reading it for during the interview. If the contact information is not the first thing o…

>As a result any heuristic applied to resumes is just as worthless as most candidates. Disrespect permeating the industry. A candidate is either a rock star 2% or worthless the rest. And everybody does successfully hires only rockstars. Mathematical paradox. Though seeing how you mention 10 years experience as something important I'd guess you're young, and that would explain your gimmicky and capricious approaches t…

Old enough to have earned a pension in one industry.

Re: We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2016)

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post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like resumes as 98% of each is probably bullshit unless the candidate is a truly amazing rockstar with 10+ years of valid experience. As a result any heuristic applied to resumes is just as worthless as most candidates. When I have interviewed in the past I literally stopped reading once I see contact information and save reading it for during the interview. If the contact information is not the first thing o…

Have you tried recursively applying your own statement about heuristics to your own heuristics? The only thing you are doing is declaring that your own simplified view of the world is truer than other people's simplified view of the world. At least most people are self conscious enough to know that the simplifications lose information but is somewhat unavoidable due to amount.

Actually, I have. It isn't about my opinions. It is about the underlying technologies and languages more directly. It is about understanding why things work the way they do and how large applications come together and how to organize things.

I am less interested in copy-paste coders.

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