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I can no longer recommend MailChimp

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Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#81
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That should be a minimal number of cases, reduced further by having a big clear one click unsubscribe option. It always amazes me the business that make unsubscribing difficult. That is the real way to get placed in spam.

Does anyone trust the unsubscribe link in apparent spam, though?

Many less technical folks do. If I never signed up, I'm absolutely not clicking an unsubscribe link.

Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#82

"double opt-in" is a term I'm used to hearing in a pejorative way from the pro-spam side. The anti-spam side calls it "confirmed opt-in" which I think is a more accurate description.

Anyone calling it 'double opt-in' has the whiff of being a spammer even if they aren't one. If you're not checking that the subscriber clicked the "yes I want this" link in the email, anyone can subscribe anyone they want to your mailing list. There are tons of 'email bomb' services that will 'subscribe' a target to 100s or 1000s of newsletters that don't confirm opt-ins.

Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#83

Honest question here, does anyone actually want to receive newsletters? I don't think I've ever set foot in the 'Promotions' tab in my Gmail account, other than to delete everything in it.

The ones who sign up for them do.

I read Javascript/Node/goweekly.com newsletters in their email format. The Phaser.io newsletter is another. I think you're more the outlier than the norm.

Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#84
Come on, this should be really easy to fix. If MailChimp is really sending you so many emails that you are upset with their service, you should be able to make your own MailChimp account and tell them that your email address requires double opt in. Or you can make a rule for their MX to end up in a special folder. Or they can detect a well above average number of lists for a single email address and trigger double opt-in for that address. This is a problem for a vast minority of users.

Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#85
post #70

Not a flippant response: Curious why this isn't the default mode of operation: - Business sends spam - Gmail users mark spam as spam - Gmail starts putting all emails from business as spam for all Gmail users - Business fails - New businesses don't send spam I can't imagine Gmail being in bed with spammers since Gmail gets paid when spammers pay Gmail to put spam on top of all your emails, not when spam is in your em…

New domains are cheap.

You don't spam from mybiz.com

You spam from mybizmail.com, mybizmarketing.com, mybizoffers.com, etc.

Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#86
post #65

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Here's the thing, though. As a user, if I start getting your mailing list emails because someone else decided to sign me up and there was no confirmation, I'm going to mark it as spam.

That should be a minimal number of cases, reduced further by having a big clear one click unsubscribe option. It always amazes me the business that make unsubscribing difficult. That is the real way to get placed in spam.

I'm not clicking an unsubscribe button on something I didn't subscribe to. I have no way of knowing if it will unsubscribe me or if it will tell the sender "Hey guys! This is a real email address! Send him more spam!"

Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#87
post #85
post #70

Not a flippant response: Curious why this isn't the default mode of operation: - Business sends spam - Gmail users mark spam as spam - Gmail starts putting all emails from business as spam for all Gmail users - Business fails - New businesses don't send spam I can't imagine Gmail being in bed with spammers since Gmail gets paid when spammers pay Gmail to put spam on top of all your emails, not when spam is in your em…

New domains are cheap. You don't spam from mybiz.com You spam from mybizmail.com, mybizmarketing.com, mybizoffers.com, etc.

Is that really the problem though? Most of the junk that makes it into my mailbox are from real businesses that probably stands to go bankrupt if they had to change their domain name. But they all have to spam because that's what the market does now to win.

Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#88
post #75

For my fellow mail server administrators: * 205.201.128.0/20 * 198.2.128.0/18 * 148.105.0.0/16 Those are the ranges you'll want to add to your blacklists.

Blacklisting would be pretty irresponsible, greylisting maybe.

On my servers, they are already greylisted (almost everyone is, by default). Greylisting works very well against most spammers, hijacked PCs, etc. (I use "spamd" [0] from OpenBSD, which also makes blacklisting very easy, FWIW).

In MailChimp's case, the only thing that greylisting would accomplish is delaying the amount of time I wait to get their spam^We-mails.

[0]: https://man.openbsd.org/spamd.8

Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#89
I believe this benefits MailChimp's business model. They charge based on how many subscribers are in your lists, so a single opt-in increases how many people sign up and therefore how many people they charge for.

I'll be leaving MailChimp because the cost outstrips the value as our list has grown.

Re: I can no longer recommend MailChimp

#90
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One workaround is to use disposable email addresses when signing up to anything online, like https://forward.cat

Why not spamdecoy.net? It does the same thing and you never give your real email to anyone (though forward cat is open source so it's probably ok), and you don't have to set up anything before you use the temporary email.

> (though forward cat is open source so it's probably ok)

Curious about this - how can you have an 'open-source' service? I'm not compiling or running the software, and I have no idea what their software is actually doing because there's no way to verify that it's the same as what's been open-sourced...

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