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Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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I wish I could give up on Edge, but my end users won't let me.

> I wish I could give up on Edge Why?

For the same reason it's easier to target just Linux or just Windows or just OS X. The fewer platforms you need to support the less time/work needs to be spent porting.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

#52
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nobody is taking them seriously Because it's 2017 and I'm STILL having to write workarounds for IE.

This is absolutely valid criticism. Of course the devteam is "good people", but the issue remains that Edge created yet another browser fork while IE11 is still around and actively used. Also Edge is still behind with several features (like server-sent events). For those saying Edge is different than IE, is there even an IE team anymore or did they just become the Edge team now? Either way the development strategy is…

The way Microsoft likes to shuffle project teams, it's a bit of a ship of theseus. It's a very strange philosophical debate if the Edge team is the "same as" the IE10/11 team. The Edge team is definitely not the IE7/8/9 team, that I'm sure of. The Edge team can't possibly be the IE6- team, because that team was entirely disbanded. The IE10/11 team inherited the mistakes of the IE6- team by way of a need for backward compatibility and the backward compatibility plan put together by the IE7/8/9 team. Does that backward compatibility arc define what was the IE team? If so, then the Edge team is definitely not the IE team, having for finality killed the backward compatibility story of IE7/8/9.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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If only Microsoft lets older Windows to install Edge. Yet they are stuck with IE. The only way to use Edge is to upgrade to Windows 10.

Windows 7 is already out mainstream support and has only 3 years more of security patches. Unless you are telling me you are one of the very few people still on Windows 8.1, now is as good of a time as any to plan for a migration to Windows 10.

At my workplace, most users are on Windows 7, and few on Win 10, and fewer (if any) are on windows 8.1

Migration to windows 10 is not going to happen until it is absolutely necessary.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is absolutely valid criticism. Of course the devteam is "good people", but the issue remains that Edge created yet another browser fork while IE11 is still around and actively used. Also Edge is still behind with several features (like server-sent events). For those saying Edge is different than IE, is there even an IE team anymore or did they just become the Edge team now? Either way the development strategy is…

And let's not forget the worst thing about this: __Edge can't be installed on windows 8.1 or less__ By far, this is stopping most users from leaving IE.

No one is using Windows 8.1, statistically speaking anymore, and Windows 7 only has 3 years left of security fixes remaining.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And let's not forget the worst thing about this: __Edge can't be installed on windows 8.1 or less__ By far, this is stopping most users from leaving IE.

No one is using Windows 8.1, statistically speaking anymore, and Windows 7 only has 3 years left of security fixes remaining.

we have 7.5% IE11 traffic on our ecommerce site (US, diy home remodeling). more than Edge which is ~5%.

7.5% is a huge number.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

#56
I'm sure that the Azure team built their portal to work with the most popular browser and didn't concern themselves with Edge too much, just like every other web developer.

Anyway, I like how he unchecked the Telemetry feature before installing Chrome so that he didn't have to "help make Google Chrome better".

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

#57
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It’s exactly this attitude of just get it done that has reignited Microsoft. They probably get flack for this, but it shows they’re focused more on results.

I've talked to some people on the team who works on Edge, and they are a fantastic group of people. They know they are in an uphill battle, and everyone is writing them off, but they are doing damn good work. Edge's performance is getting leaps and bounds faster every update, they are doing incredible things for battery life on many devices, they are catching up to google for web API support, and nobody is taking the…

> they are doing damn good work.

I've been using it for a while. Overall, it feels significantly faster than any Chromium-based browser I've used. Chrome, Brave, etc. are simply no longer good enough.

That being said, I'm considering switching to Quantum. Edge breaks the 1Password plugin[1] and Microsoft is closing the bugs "as designed" or they have lost all traction. Breaking a password manager relegates the entire browser to non-starter, it doesn't matter at all how good your other features are.

[1]: https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platfor... , https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platfor...

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

#58

Ugh.. Ive been exactly in his shoes. He's trying to demo an area, and dogfood an unrelated area (browser). I know when Ive done Azure work before, it'll work in Chrome and firefox. But that's about it. Or it could be some goofy problem with the browser, or how MS handles what browser it thinks you're running, or a million other possibilities. Who knows. But the best way to continue a demo, is just to get the demo don…

>The hotseat of live demos can suck. Really suck. Don't diss till you do one, and it falls apart.

Nobody is picking on the presenter himself for what happened; in fact, he "saved the day" by quickly switching to Chrome and continuing the presentation. It is Microsoft that is taking the ridicule for not testing their interfaces on Edge, their own browser.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is absolutely valid criticism. Of course the devteam is "good people", but the issue remains that Edge created yet another browser fork while IE11 is still around and actively used. Also Edge is still behind with several features (like server-sent events). For those saying Edge is different than IE, is there even an IE team anymore or did they just become the Edge team now? Either way the development strategy is…

The way Microsoft likes to shuffle project teams, it's a bit of a ship of theseus. It's a very strange philosophical debate if the Edge team is the "same as" the IE10/11 team. The Edge team is definitely not the IE7/8/9 team, that I'm sure of. The Edge team can't possibly be the IE6- team, because that team was entirely disbanded. The IE10/11 team inherited the mistakes of the IE6- team by way of a need for backward…

The point is that the criticism applies regardless of which specific product or people because it is all the "microsoft web browser" group.
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