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The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by chris_wot »

nnfy wrote: post #27
mercer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your anecdote and needlessly aggressive comment do make a very compelling argument. But in all seriousness: can you explain why you feel so strongly about this? EDIT: the person I responded to edited their comment to make it 'milder'.

Probably because he has a problem with fear mongering.

It’s not fear mongering. The Lancet published an article about continued and discontinued use of cannabis after psychosis.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-03...

But it states that there is a well established link between cannabis and psychosis.

Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by gkya »

mattmanser wrote: post #30
mercer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your anecdote and needlessly aggressive comment do make a very compelling argument. But in all seriousness: can you explain why you feel so strongly about this? EDIT: the person I responded to edited their comment to make it 'milder'.

I hate seeing utter lies like this in any debate. It's propaganda and I react strongly to it. Claiming 50% of teenagers smoking weed , let alone lsd, will have problems is an utter, out-right lie. I was never into drugs like friends, if that's what you're insinuating. I tried a few, but beer was my drug of choice, and nicotine for a while. There are polls where something like 40-50% of UK teenagers (and probably US)…

Yeah whatever you don't like is evil fearmongering. And they don't even say trying it will drive you nuts.

Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by Mikushi »

chris_wot wrote: post #28
adammunich wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you mean? Most folks I know who regularly use marijuana aren't close to anything I'd call schizoaffective. Those who I know whom have gone off the deep end so to say, seem to have had other troubles in life which compounded to become too much to handle for them.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Same can be said about the original comment. Nothing in there of value except some dubious extrapolations.

Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by evincarofautumn »

dEnigma wrote: post #12
maxscam wrote: post #3

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I was diagnosed schizoid because I was a smartass and said I could "hear things that others couldn't".

I sincerely hope that it took more than just this one sentence for a real doctor to diagnose you as schizoid.

Mistakes can be made quite easily—doctors are only human. For example, once I was diagnosed with “mild scoliosis”, in part because I was slouching heavily when the doctor came in to the exam room for my physical—I was shy about having my shirt off and thought slouching made me look cool and aloof. I was wrong, and as it turned out, so was he.

Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by thanatropism »

There's something important the article seems to be getting wrong: psychosis is a symptom, not a disease.

There are such things as psychotic depression and post-partum depression; psychosis is a symptom of severe bipolar mania, etc.

By the way, the concept of schizophrenia first comes up in Emil Kraepelin's realization that bipolar disorder (manic-depression) and schizophrenia ("precocious dementia") are distinct pathologies -- even though they may have similar presentations at times. With this, Kraepelin also inaugurates the idea of differential diagnosis.

Similar in spirit (but less compatible with our contemporary understanding) is Freud's distinction between neurosis and "psychosis", the former being amenable to analysis. I.e. schizophrenia has always been a diagnosis of exclusion.

If people are actually being able to open up schizophrenia into further detail -- well, that's good. But there will always be a diagnosis of exclusion, we'll just euphemize it as "psychotic disorder NOS" or some such.

Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by mercer »

Mikushi wrote: post #33
chris_wot wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

Same can be said about the original comment. Nothing in there of value except some dubious extrapolations.

Yes. countering it with another anecdote doesn't really help though.

Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by [deleted] »

RHSman2 wrote: post #15

I’d suggest that not taking a drug (weed/lsd/mushrooms) that alter ones perceptions of our very existence is a good way of staying mentally sound. If you take ten 16 yr olds, allow them to experiment, 1-2 will drop off the world, 2-3 will have major, life changing changes to the way they view life (border line changes in said spectrum) and the rest handle it fine although with a significant change in lifestyle. As so…

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Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by Pica_soO »

thanatropism wrote: post #35

There's something important the article seems to be getting wrong: psychosis is a symptom, not a disease. There are such things as psychotic depression and post-partum depression; psychosis is a symptom of severe bipolar mania, etc. By the way, the concept of schizophrenia first comes up in Emil Kraepelin's realization that bipolar disorder (manic-depression) and schizophrenia ("precocious dementia") are distinct pat…

Freud is dead. Dead and gone. We moved on. Really, i know he founded the field and made for a nice soap opera gossip generator when discussing other peoples problems sources (generating alot of unnecessary drama, to people who already had drama, like having the genes for schizophrenia in the family)- so please could we stop mentioning him, when discussing modern neurology.

Its like a tribe on a pacific island had discovered boolean algebra first, and every time somebody tried to discuss comp science ever after - out of nowhere someone yells "This calls for a ritual, sacrifice the chicken, you cant discuss booleans, without being ridden by baron samedi."

Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by Pica_soO »

chris_wot wrote: post #31
nnfy wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because he has a problem with fear mongering.

It’s not fear mongering. The Lancet published an article about continued and discontinued use of cannabis after psychosis. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-03... But it states that there is a well established link between cannabis and psychosis.

I resent your being down voted, by a audience running out of arguments.

If something that attacks your lifestyle or a dependency of it and you can not bring arguments forth, this does not give you the right to silence the debate.

Re: The concept of schizophrenia is dying

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Post by dsego »

dEnigma wrote: post #12
maxscam wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was diagnosed schizoid because I was a smartass and said I could "hear things that others couldn't".

I sincerely hope that it took more than just this one sentence for a real doctor to diagnose you as schizoid.

Doctors only know what you tell them.
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