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Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by Teever »

roblabla wrote: post #97
paulmd wrote: post #96

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The CUDA ecosystem is the dominant one within the GPU compute world, and it's only supported by NVIDIA hardware. And up until very recently AMD's Linux drivers were total dogshit. So there is a dominant share of NVIDIA products in this market, and it will continue to be necessary to use NVIDIA products for the foreseeable future. That's just how it is. To be honest I've never heard of this guy nor his project before,…

This tantrum is fairly warrented TBH. Nvidia has been hostile to the linux world for as long as they existed. That they've been in a monopoly situation means that the community had no choice but to take the pain in. Sway is a WM, and wlroots is a new library that should help in creating Wayland WMs (similar to wlc). SirCmpwn has to maintain all of that, and it turns out it's a fairly big task. Realistically, his WM w…

> Nvidia has been hostile to the linux world for as long as they existed.

Really? Weren't they the only ones who released a driver for like a decade?

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by dingo_bat »

lightedman wrote: post #118
shmerl wrote: post #108

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Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/73xutn/why_ca...

Yep, utterly backwards. That kind of thing should be purely in driver space where it belongs, hooked on a driver model and not a kernel upstream model. It's funny that Microsoft learned this problem and fixed it back in 2007-ish. Well, in another 30 years Linux will catch up. Maybe.

Meanwhile windows is able to restart the entire graphics subsystem with a new driver without losing apps. I doubt linux will ever reach these levels.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by dingo_bat »

seabrookmx wrote: post #106
throw2016 wrote: post #73

Finally laptops gets freed from 2 anemic cores. Intel will now 'suddenly be in a position' to rush reasonably priced 4 cores to the laptop market. AMD needs to be competitive for the health of the industry and consumers. There is little doubt now Intel was holding the market back. We have seen similar stagnation on desktops with any slight step magnified by the tech press desperate for content. And fortunately AMD ha…

I mentioned this above: Intel already can. They released quad-core "U-series" parts a month or two ago.

Which proves what OP said about Intel holding back innovation.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by orbifold »

gima wrote: post #130
orbifold wrote: post #126

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If anything Linux Desktops are way less stable than Windows Desktop. Try crashing a graphics driver on Linux and see what happens and compare that to Windows (it restarts without interrupting operation). Most of the Linux schedulers are awful for interactive use as well. I'm forced to use Debian and Scientific Linux installations at work, they are so much worse at basically anything I've experienced both on Windows a…

I experience somewhat frequent GPU crashes when playing Diablo3 under Wine with the integrated i3-4150 GPU, but the graphics stack recovers by itself in about a minute. I can then continue from where I left off, sans the application that crashed with it.

Under Windows the recovery is instant, there is an audible bell and a popup window in the taskbar saying something along the lines of: "The graphics driver has crashed and has been restarted". In any case by now I'm pretty sick of Linux fanboys making fun of people using other operating systems. Using Linux as a Desktop OS, especially if your are not given a chance to modify the installation is an exercise in self-flagellation.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by csdreamer7 »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #5

How are the Linux Radeon drivers these days. Last time I tried (8 years ago) they were awful compared to the NVidia equivalent. But now that I might be able to get a 3 pound ultrabook with decent graphics, I'm willing to put up with a lot more inconvenience .

On Vega they are competitive with the Nvidia drivers.

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=rx-vega-...

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by Karunamon »

ahartmetz wrote: post #120
Hello71 wrote: post #109

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hint: it has something to do with the fact that Windows machines have a reputation for BSoDing regularly, whereas Linux systems have no such reputation.

For Linux it's IME not BSODs, but deficiencies in desktop usage situations. A CPU and I/O scheduler that causes sound stuttering (now better than five years ago), or my favorite... CDs with read errors can hang much of the user interface forever and effectively require a restart. Not even mechanically force-ejecting the CD helps. It is AFAIK not due to programming errors in the UI - processes become unkillably stuck.…

Network drives going away will still reliably hang explorer processes. It’s 2017, there’s no reason to be doing network access on the UI thread anymore.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by lightedman »

bkor wrote: post #125
lightedman wrote: post #116

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"whereas Linux systems have no such reputation." Hah. I've been through kernel panic hell more times than years in my age, and I'm OLD. You must be real new to the Linux world if you think it has a spotless record. In fact, it's still possible to hardlock the kernel all these years after I reported how. Lemme show you how poorly the Kernel handles an encrypted RAMDisk with a couple configured parameters.

> Hah. I've been through kernel panic hell more times than years in my age, and I'm OLD. So why do you pretend NOT to know at all that the kernel handles/provides drivers? If you're so experienced you should be well aware of that.

"So why do you pretend NOT to know at all that the kernel handles/provides drivers?"

You're failing at reading and understanding any of my words, which means you're likely looking to start a problem. Okay, I'll play along.

I know that the Kernel handles and provides drivers - what you're failing to understand is that I think it's HORRIBLE (and I can prove it hundreds of different ways on any Linux distro excepting maybe SELinux and its flavors.)

Wake me up when the entire Linux graphics subsystem can crash without taking the entire computer, or one single app, along with it. Windows can do this. Linux can not. Linux is therefore doing things poorly.

Even BSD handles this better. Every other OS excepting Linux has bothered to come into the modern age of graphics subsystems around 2007/2008. Linux is still behind and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by kunimu »

zanny wrote: post #83
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #52

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How are the open source drivers for games? Can you render Civ 5/6 or Rocket League?

I've been playing Civ 5 on the Mesa radeon driver since it came out on Linux with great framerates. That being said, My FPS at 1080/high has gone from ~45 to over 90 in the last two years on the same 290 card.

I can replicate this experience. Enemy Territiry with radron would give you maximum 30fps in 2014 or so, forget playing with rain or on a populated server. Now I get 90fps at 1080p comfortably.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by ahartmetz »

subwayclub wrote: post #60
MrRadar wrote: post #54

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It's pretty crazy to think that in just a year or two 192 threads will likely be available on commodity dual-socket x86 server hardware...

It's the race for core counts that we've been expecting since the mid 2000s - just a lot later than anyone expected since we detoured into GPU and mobile computing. Our software still isn't really ready for it, but I guess that's to be expected.

In addition to software not being ready:

It detoured into a company having no need to improve its products too much because they were already the best. If the technology is somewhat stagnating, it is best not to release all the improvements at once. After core counts have increased, what else will still make people buy new CPUs? Maybe I lack some imagination here - and so do companies making phone CPUs, which can't think of anything better than upping the core count.

Also, high core count CPUs are slightly more similar to GPUs, and Intel seems to be trying to keep the GPU threat at bay. There is no reason to believe that Intel couldn't design a competitive high end GPU, but that is not where its entrenched advantage is. (This part is not my own analysis, I read it somewhere else and consider it highly plausible.)

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by majewsky »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #52
zanny wrote: post #8

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Linux AMD open source drivers are top notch now. Even have really good foss OpenCL support. The only asterisk right now is that you only want to use these new APUs / any Vega GPU on distros running kernel 4.15 or later (which will release probably Jan of next year).

How are the open source drivers for games? Can you render Civ 5/6 or Rocket League?

Civ 5 is buttery smooth on my 2015 Radeon R9 Nano at 4K resolution, with the amdgpu driver and Mesa/X11 on Arch Linux.
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