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Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by mkroman »

FBISurveillance wrote: post #2

I really hope that those will be as good as their new CPUs and Apple would consider them if they don't have ARM in the works. It would be nice to have an octa-core in a laptop. Also would be really nice to have Vega as well — current Radeons aren't very good compared to 10-series nVidia chips.

Apple is unlikely to move away from Intel because of the dependency on Thunderbolt.

Intel has announced that Thunderbolt 3 will become royalty-free in 2018[1], but it's gonna be a long while before ever getting to market.

[1] http://www.techradar.com/news/intel-has-a-grand-plan-to-brin...

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by userbinator »

nik736 wrote: post #3

The integrated graphics unit of those is apparently 2-3x as good as the Intel equivalent in some benchmarks[0]. Sounds very promising overall. [0]: https://heise.cloudimg.io/bound/2300x1400/tjpeg.q90.webp-los...

Not surprising. After all, AMD bought ATI.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by csdreamer7 »

lightedman wrote: post #99
c2h5oh wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet - there is no display support for that GPU in current Linux kernel, nor in 4.14 that is going to be released in 1-2 weeks. Users will have to wait for 4.15 - until mid-late January.

You need a new kernel to support a GPU? What ass-backwards garbage is this? With Windows, it's install a new driver; not update the core of the OS and possibly introduce horrible bugs.

In addition to the other comments. Ubuntu's LTS, if you install hardware enablement stack, will automatically install new kernels once Ubuntu releases them for the LTS.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack

The desktop version does this automatically... if you install the LTS from a XX.XX.02 release: Ubuntu 16.04.2 does this. Ubuntu 16.04.1 does not-you have to manually enable it.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by naasking »

lightedman wrote: post #99
c2h5oh wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet - there is no display support for that GPU in current Linux kernel, nor in 4.14 that is going to be released in 1-2 weeks. Users will have to wait for 4.15 - until mid-late January.

You need a new kernel to support a GPU? What ass-backwards garbage is this? With Windows, it's install a new driver; not update the core of the OS and possibly introduce horrible bugs.

> With Windows, it's install a new driver; not update the core of the OS and possibly introduce horrible bugs.

Windows drivers are typically the source of Windows' horrible bugs. It's no different.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by naasking »

subwayclub wrote: post #60
MrRadar wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty crazy to think that in just a year or two 192 threads will likely be available on commodity dual-socket x86 server hardware...

It's the race for core counts that we've been expecting since the mid 2000s - just a lot later than anyone expected since we detoured into GPU and mobile computing. Our software still isn't really ready for it, but I guess that's to be expected.

Probably still won't happen because of the software limitations. Like the GPU detour, a different ASIC or FPGA detour will probably happen instead.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by lightedman »

Hello71 wrote: post #109
lightedman wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need a new kernel to support a GPU? What ass-backwards garbage is this? With Windows, it's install a new driver; not update the core of the OS and possibly introduce horrible bugs.

hint: it has something to do with the fact that Windows machines have a reputation for BSoDing regularly, whereas Linux systems have no such reputation.

"whereas Linux systems have no such reputation."

Hah. I've been through kernel panic hell more times than years in my age, and I'm OLD. You must be real new to the Linux world if you think it has a spotless record.

In fact, it's still possible to hardlock the kernel all these years after I reported how. Lemme show you how poorly the Kernel handles an encrypted RAMDisk with a couple configured parameters.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by lightedman »

naasking wrote: post #114
lightedman wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need a new kernel to support a GPU? What ass-backwards garbage is this? With Windows, it's install a new driver; not update the core of the OS and possibly introduce horrible bugs.

> With Windows, it's install a new driver; not update the core of the OS and possibly introduce horrible bugs. Windows drivers are typically the source of Windows' horrible bugs. It's no different.

Drivers tend to get fixed far faster than Kernels do. I'm speaking from personal experience in my reporting multiple issues with the Linux Kernel. In fact, as I look, the eight I reported years ago are still there, which means the inherent memory vulnerability is still there and Linus (improperly) chose to use ASLR to try to mitigate it instead of fixing it properly in the first place.

And you want to make Microsoft look the worse party. That's hilarious.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by lightedman »

shmerl wrote: post #108
lightedman wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need a new kernel to support a GPU? What ass-backwards garbage is this? With Windows, it's install a new driver; not update the core of the OS and possibly introduce horrible bugs.

Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/73xutn/why_ca...

Yep, utterly backwards. That kind of thing should be purely in driver space where it belongs, hooked on a driver model and not a kernel upstream model.

It's funny that Microsoft learned this problem and fixed it back in 2007-ish. Well, in another 30 years Linux will catch up. Maybe.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by shmerl »

lightedman wrote: post #118
shmerl wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/73xutn/why_ca...

Yep, utterly backwards. That kind of thing should be purely in driver space where it belongs, hooked on a driver model and not a kernel upstream model. It's funny that Microsoft learned this problem and fixed it back in 2007-ish. Well, in another 30 years Linux will catch up. Maybe.

MS didn't fix it. They simply froze their abstraction and everyone expects it to be the same. Linux supports kernel modularity for a long time already. The only difference - they don't guarantee interfaces to be set in stone. So clearly they aren't interested in "catching up", since they do it on purpose.

I don't necessary agree that it works for their goals (preventing messed up un-upstreamable kernel modules), but they do it for a reason.

Re: AMD takes on Intel with new Ryzen processors for laptops

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Post by ahartmetz »

Hello71 wrote: post #109
lightedman wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need a new kernel to support a GPU? What ass-backwards garbage is this? With Windows, it's install a new driver; not update the core of the OS and possibly introduce horrible bugs.

hint: it has something to do with the fact that Windows machines have a reputation for BSoDing regularly, whereas Linux systems have no such reputation.

For Linux it's IME not BSODs, but deficiencies in desktop usage situations. A CPU and I/O scheduler that causes sound stuttering (now better than five years ago), or my favorite... CDs with read errors can hang much of the user interface forever and effectively require a restart. Not even mechanically force-ejecting the CD helps. It is AFAIK not due to programming errors in the UI - processes become unkillably stuck. Fortunately it isn't very relevant anymore. It may even have been fixed and I haven't noticed.
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