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Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by ozmbie »

jasonkostempski wrote: post #11
raamdev wrote: post #8

On the topic of having nothing to hide, the following description of how 'privacy' differs from 'secrecy' really opened my eyes to the importance of the whole privacy issue and why not having anything to hide isn't an excuse to give up your right to privacy: What you do in the bathroom is not a secret, but you still want to close the door—you still want your privacy. Everyone knows what happens in the bathroom, but e…

But someone might not be doing what everyone thinks they're doing in there.

The same could be said for what you do in your own home with all the curtains pulled.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by II2II »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #7

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

In many cases, it has nothing to do with what is being hidden. It is much easier to find peace in the world if you keep your nose out of other people's affairs and vice versa.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by ravenstine »

jasonkostempski wrote: post #20
singold wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we don't have glass doors in bathrooms because of that

Tons of mens restrooms don't have doors or walls around shitters specifically so no one fucks or does drugs in them.

Where do you live? I've never seen men's rooms that didn't have walls and doors for each stall. I hope you aren't in prison.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by bonestamp2 »

ozmbie wrote: post #21
jasonkostempski wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But someone might not be doing what everyone thinks they're doing in there.

The same could be said for what you do in your own home with all the curtains pulled.

Yup, my grandma doesn't have curtains because she's doing something illegal... she has them because she doesn't want creeps watching her.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by paulryanrogers »

mirimir wrote: post #9
miguelrochefort wrote: post #7

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

The powerful ought to be have no privacy, because with power there's the need for public oversight. Ditto for corporations, government, and so on. And conversely, the weak ought to have total privacy, because they're so vulnerable. In reality, we have pretty much the opposite. Because wealth and power protect themselves. So it goes.

Perhaps the powerful should have less professional privacy. But personal privacy is not far from dignity for many. So let's not make their personal lives any more of an industry than it already is.

Still, the idea that the weak should have more privacy sounds about right.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by mirimir »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #25
mirimir wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The powerful ought to be have no privacy, because with power there's the need for public oversight. Ditto for corporations, government, and so on. And conversely, the weak ought to have total privacy, because they're so vulnerable. In reality, we have pretty much the opposite. Because wealth and power protect themselves. So it goes.

Perhaps the powerful should have less professional privacy. But personal privacy is not far from dignity for many. So let's not make their personal lives any more of an industry than it already is. Still, the idea that the weak should have more privacy sounds about right.

I get what you say about personal privacy. But with extreme power, there's not much that's legitimately private. Consider what people must reveal to get the highest security ratings, for example.

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Post by miguelrochefort »

prophesi wrote: post #16
miguelrochefort wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why we should get rid of SSNs, credit card numbers, passwords, etc.

You're missing the point. Receipts, work-related files, birth certificates, passports. There will always be information we have to safeguard. It's not feasible to switch all authentication from what-you-know (passwords) and what-you-have (certificates) to what-you-are (biometrics), which is the only way I can see us getting rid of SSNs, passwords, and credit card numbers.

Why is it not feasible?

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by miguelrochefort »

zaroth wrote: post #18
miguelrochefort wrote: post #7

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

If the universe had somehow formed to create humans who shared a single consciousness, sure that would work. But as long as we are individuals, we need the space to have a self .

Individuality is an illusion. We're all one. I plan to make it known.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by miguelrochefort »

Moru wrote: post #14
miguelrochefort wrote: post #7

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

The things worth hiding might not be the same things in 20 years. It's not illegal to be a Jew right now but look back a few years and see what could happen when there are registers of peoples beliefs.

But people only seek to hide what's worth hiding today, which defeats the purpose.
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