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Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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On the topic of having nothing to hide, the following description of how 'privacy' differs from 'secrecy' really opened my eyes to the importance of the whole privacy issue and why not having anything to hide isn't an excuse to give up your right to privacy: What you do in the bathroom is not a secret, but you still want to close the door—you still want your privacy. Everyone knows what happens in the bathroom, but e…

But someone might not be doing what everyone thinks they're doing in there.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

#12

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

That might work if no one was allowed to punish anyone for doing something simply because they consider it wrong. I don't want you, or anyone else, making that decision for me. Privacy is more about protection from people with power than it is for protection from direct harm.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

#13

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

Well, don't, if you wish so. I personally don't mind people walking naked on the street, jumping from the roofs, putting their fingers into meat grinder. But don't ask me to do any of these things.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

#14

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

The things worth hiding might not be the same things in 20 years. It's not illegal to be a Jew right now but look back a few years and see what could happen when there are registers of peoples beliefs.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

#15

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

It's impossible not to have things to hide, as a normal human being. We don't live in glass homes, and are responsible for keeping a lot of information hidden (SSN, passwords, credit card number, credit reports, etc).

That's why we should get rid of SSNs, credit card numbers, passwords, etc.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's impossible not to have things to hide, as a normal human being. We don't live in glass homes, and are responsible for keeping a lot of information hidden (SSN, passwords, credit card number, credit reports, etc).

That's why we should get rid of SSNs, credit card numbers, passwords, etc.

You're missing the point. Receipts, work-related files, birth certificates, passports.

There will always be information we have to safeguard. It's not feasible to switch all authentication from what-you-know (passwords) and what-you-have (certificates) to what-you-are (biometrics), which is the only way I can see us getting rid of SSNs, passwords, and credit card numbers.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

#17
post #8

On the topic of having nothing to hide, the following description of how 'privacy' differs from 'secrecy' really opened my eyes to the importance of the whole privacy issue and why not having anything to hide isn't an excuse to give up your right to privacy: What you do in the bathroom is not a secret, but you still want to close the door—you still want your privacy. Everyone knows what happens in the bathroom, but e…

But someone might not be doing what everyone thinks they're doing in there.

But we don't have glass doors in bathrooms because of that

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

#18

We all have stuff to hide, but shouldn't we agree that we shouldn't?

If the universe had somehow formed to create humans who shared a single consciousness, sure that would work.

But as long as we are individuals, we need the space to have a self.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

#19
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But someone might not be doing what everyone thinks they're doing in there.

But we don't have glass doors in bathrooms because of that

Right. Also, my wife and I have a little game of sharing about public restrooms that we encounter. Generally, the men's rooms are far more trashed than the women's rooms. But how many establishments have surveillance cameras in their men's rooms? Not many, I suspect.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

#20
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But someone might not be doing what everyone thinks they're doing in there.

But we don't have glass doors in bathrooms because of that

Tons of mens restrooms don't have doors or walls around shitters specifically so no one fucks or does drugs in them.
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