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Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by toxic_ »

saurik wrote: post #5

Hello! My name is Jay Freeman (saurik), and I was both deeply involved in the design of Orchid's protocol as well as in charge of the initial implementation of the networking and routing logic, and am happy to try to answer any questions people might have about what we are working on! (edit:) g_simonsson, who now has an account on Hacker News and has joined this thread, is Gustav Simonsson, another developer working…

Using PoW `Medallions' on top of a PoW blockchain to prevent Sybil attacks seems redundant. Why not just require Ether commitments from bandwidth providers? Users can then set a configurable threshold for commitment lengths/amounts according to individual needs.

This is the first I'm hearing of probabilistic payments. Are you aware of any other systems, proposed or operational, using this to pay for bandwidth? It seems like a natural fit.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by r0fls »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #78

It's Tor but with a worse website and more decentralised? I think the website could be better if it said right at the top what it actually does and what it offers over competing services.

Are you talking about https://www.torproject.org? We have different standards for websites it seems. That looks like it jumped out of the mid 90s to me.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by ve55 »

There's a lot of projects that sound exactly like this. What they all have in common is that they all use an Ethereum (ERC20/22) token and all have very large amounts of money flowing into them, from private investors, companies, ICOs, etc.

It would be nice to see more projects take routes that projects like tor take, where the founders do not accept millions of dollars of money before they even have a working and complete protocol.

Ethereum has some amazing potential and technology behind it but I lost interest in this the second I saw they had already raised $5M and haven't even done their ICO yet. Their FAQ section seems woefully incomplete given this amount of money.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by saurik »

bmc7505 wrote: post #90

> This would be a disruptive inconvienance [sic] for Chinese business people, deeply effecting [sic] commerce, as well as quality of life for the average Chinese citizen. This sentence has two typos. It should be changed to: > This would be a disruptive inconvenience for Chinese business people, deeply affecting commerce, as well as quality of life for the average Chinese citizen. But TBH, stating that the lack of We…

You caught this answer right before it was updated with a much longer answer that I had written a couple days ago (and which fixes at least one of those typos). Would you mind reviewing it to see if you still think it is a stretch?

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by saurik »

RoboTeddy wrote: post #92

What's the weakest point in the design so far?

The answer you aren't looking for is probably something like "traffic cloaking" or "connection bootstrap", but my personal answer to that question is "so you sit down at a computer and download our software. you have a wallet full of cash and credit cards... now what?".

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by herbst »

ve55 wrote: post #94

There's a lot of projects that sound exactly like this. What they all have in common is that they all use an Ethereum (ERC20/22) token and all have very large amounts of money flowing into them, from private investors, companies, ICOs, etc. It would be nice to see more projects take routes that projects like tor take, where the founders do not accept millions of dollars of money before they even have a working and co…

This should be on the top. They did not even put a lot effort in their current presentation but already are millions "in dept".

As novel as the idea sounds, i doubt this is it this time but lets hope for the best.

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by Sniffnoy »

Regarding the alternative approaches section (which I'm assuming when complete will include an actual comparison to these alternative approaches?), another alternative approach you might want to mention is that improved mixnet approach that people were talking about last year, that once set up is supposed to be faster than Tor, or maybe mixnets in general since they seem to have a long history.

Edit: Riffle, that's what it was called: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riffle_(anonymity_network)

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by herbst »

r0fls wrote: post #93
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #78

It's Tor but with a worse website and more decentralised? I think the website could be better if it said right at the top what it actually does and what it offers over competing services.

Are you talking about https://www.torproject.org ? We have different standards for websites it seems. That looks like it jumped out of the mid 90s to me.

brings over the point tho, which the above one doesnt

(Otherwise i fully agree, but the orchid one also looks like a badly implemented modern default theme)

Re: Orchid: a new surveillance-free layer on top of the existing Internet

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Post by herbst »

kovek wrote: post #44
tbodt wrote: post #40

As soon as I see "Ethereum" I stop reading.

Why? Do you understand Ethereum? I'd like to understand it better

At this point it is either a magic buzzword to get investors throwing money at you or actually a smart thought of putting cryptographical proof into something. Usually its the first tho.
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