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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shortest-lived_soverei...
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_State_(1934)
Maybe you could explain what are your reservations about what I wrote? I could give you more precise references if needed.
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This might be right. But also note that Spain already features a lot of decentralization and Catalonia is at the head of this. This is very illustrative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_communities_of_Spai...
Take that chart with a grain of salt. Notice the text above it: > In some cases the autonomous community may have exclusive responsibility for the administration of a policy area but may only have executive (i.e.,carries out) powers as far as the policy itself is concerned, meaning it must enforce policy and laws decided at the national level. There is no indication of which competences are only executive and which a…
So is Europe. Does not mean that Spain or Catalonia don't have powers on the topic.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Republic_(1931) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_State_(1934) Maybe you could explain what are your reservations about what I wrote? I could give you more precise references if needed.
I have cited a well regarded first hand account of the period.
Your claim that Catalonia has no history of independence is simply wrong.
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Yeah, it'll work out really well when the U.S. military uses their General Dynamics Mission Systems radios to order their General Dynamics Mission Systems drones to fire General Dynamics missiles at General Dynamics. While their General Dynamics M1 Abrams tanks and General Dynamics Stryker AFVs roll through the streets to kill the civilians. This is not the way things would play out. The federal government would twid…
I thought the implication was the tanks rolling up at General Dynamics offices and factories to “protect national security assets from terrorists”, and the General Dynamics CEO welcoming them with the closest one can get to open arms when you’re wearing heavy body armour. “Disappeared” isn’t just destroying, it’s capturing, too.
> ...the closest one can get to open arms when you’re wearing heavy body armour.
Ironically, heavy body armour (depending on the width of the chest plate near the breast) is likely to force you to have open arms, not the opposite.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_Republic_(1931) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_State_(1934) Maybe you could explain what are your reservations about what I wrote? I could give you more precise references if needed.
Circular citations of Wikipedia articles do not prove that Catalonia existed for the very short period of time you claim. I would suggest reading about the revolutionary period. I have cited a well regarded first hand account of the period. Your claim that Catalonia has no history of independence is simply wrong.
You mentioned Orwell’s “On Catalonia” but I’m not aware of such a book. I guess you mean “Homage to Catalonia” but I don’t know what makes you think that the region was independent during the Spanish Civil war. Orwell clearly thought he was in Spain.
(Edit: by the way, I don’t know where do you see the circularity of the references in the wikipedia links. Are you suggesting that these proclamations didn’t happen?)
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And I'd say that would be fine. Your thinking betrays a certain authoritarian paternalistic streak. That somehow the plebs can't grasp what is best for them. It ought to be assumed that people would not automatically assume ever bigger divisions is an improvement. You have to put faith in people's ability to think for themselves. In most of these independence referendums people DO end up staying. People are not stupi…
Leaving Spain (and thus, the EU) is going to have severe consequences financially and in other ways (families that have someone working in another EU country who would suddenly not be a Schengen member etc.). Yes, the UK followed this democratic way and voted themselves out of the EU and you could argue that Catalonia should be able to do the same but as with Brexit, it would mean that close to half of the population…
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Stop talking of Catalonia as if there were only one opinion. At least half of catalans don't want independence.
I don't understand how people can keep repeating this? With out citing specific data? Based on wikipeida's article on election data in the 2008 the average voter turnout was 73.9% of the population. During the Catalan referendum some were between 38.5% and 42.5% percent turnout. For simplicity lets say 100 people voted in the referendum which resulted in a 90/10 split in favor of independence. The turnout numbers sug…
2. Ballots were only overseen by proindependence people, and questions regarding tampering have been raised. A small number of radicals* should suffice to widen the gap with a normal voting process.
* I define "radical" here as someone that seems justifiable to create fake vote or vote multiple times, gaming the election process, for the "greater good"
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Circular citations of Wikipedia articles do not prove that Catalonia existed for the very short period of time you claim. I would suggest reading about the revolutionary period. I have cited a well regarded first hand account of the period. Your claim that Catalonia has no history of independence is simply wrong.
Ok, maybe you can give an indication of what is the period of independence of Catalonia and a reference. You mentioned Orwell’s “On Catalonia” but I’m not aware of such a book. I guess you mean “Homage to Catalonia” but I don’t know what makes you think that the region was independent during the Spanish Civil war. Orwell clearly thought he was in Spain. (Edit: by the way, I don’t know where do you see the circularity…
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Ok, maybe you can give an indication of what is the period of independence of Catalonia and a reference. You mentioned Orwell’s “On Catalonia” but I’m not aware of such a book. I guess you mean “Homage to Catalonia” but I don’t know what makes you think that the region was independent during the Spanish Civil war. Orwell clearly thought he was in Spain. (Edit: by the way, I don’t know where do you see the circularity…
You're right, I am referring to Homage to Catalonia. The title itself would seem to suggest he was writing about Catalonia, wouldn't it?
(Edit: Orwell also wrote “The road to Wigan pier”. Do you think that Wigan was a city-state?)
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This might be right. But also note that Spain already features a lot of decentralization and Catalonia is at the head of this. This is very illustrative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_communities_of_Spai...
Norway and Sweden was once in a union, and my home country Norway certainly had a lot of autonomy, yet independence brough a lot of advantages. I don't think anybody in Norway today would think staying with Sweden would have been a good idea. Nordic countries have all been together at some point, but I think we are much happier as independent countries. We do lots of cooperation anyway and have very open borders towa…
Well the political leaders want to have more resources to play with, and financial elites want bigger unified markets. As to the populace they don't tend to be very pro integration. At least not until they've been bribed or convinced with beautiful visions of a prosperous future.