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Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by prebrov »

0ld wrote: post #94
rapsey wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world is not black and white. The british built infrastructure that is still being used today. Like their railway system. They also educated the populace.

That's a poor excuse all the colonizators and invaders always use - "We buit something there! We brought good and civilization to the wild bloodthirsty pagans! White man's burden anyone?" Not really. Locals would build it as well, just maybe later. Technology spreads disregarding the governments or countries.

No intent to belittle any nation’s effort, but technology doesn’t spread evenly.

Technological advances secured West’s domination over much of the world for centuries, despite having smaller population. Competitors were brought to submission using superior technology — China (Opium wars), Native Americans, Japan (WW II) and nearly every case I can think of.

So, sooner is massively better than later.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by boomboomsubban »

dontlikeitupem wrote: post #108
ionised wrote: post #106

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This sounds very much like the 'white man's burden' of having a moral obligation to 'civilise savages'.

Isn't it? Should we have allowed the Indians to call on such savage practice as suttee? One of the greater horrors of post colonial sub continent africa is how little education reached the populace and the savage beliefs that perpetuate atrocities even now. Imagine if we had been able to teach them that they didn't need to kill and mutilate albinos for example?

The West was still full of savage practices when suttee was outlawed, and the millions killed by colonialism outweigh the lives saved by this "education."

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by indubitable »

kelukelugames wrote: post #48
indubitable wrote: post #40

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I would be surprised if the releases containing anything especially new, but the government most certainly maintains incriminating information on themselves. For instance we now know that the FBI discovered compromising information on MLK and tried to black mail him into suicide. [1] They also discovered his infidelity through surveillance and contacted his wife again trying to damage his character. This was all well…

If King's affairs are real then why are they not more widely known? I haven't seen any conclusive evidence other than Hoover's letter.

I'd imagine mostly because it's not really relevant, and the media at the time wasn't the tabloid circus that it is today.

Among King's lovers was Georgia Davis Powers, first black senator of Kentucky, who wrote about their affair. According to her for instance she slept with him the night before he was assassinated at the Lorraine Motel. She was climbing into the ambulance to go with him until another individual reminded her of how inappropriate it would be. These are some pretty specific claims coming from a reputable source with 0 motivation to lie, that could be easily falsified.

The letter also mentions another lover by name and implies there was an attached audio recording of King with the classy phrasing, "Lend your sexually psychotic ear to the enclosure..." That audiotape is set to be publicly released in 2027. And then there is the bio of Ralph Abernathy, King's successor at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference and the man King described as "the best friend I have in the world." Within his bio he discussed King's (and his own) regular infidelities.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by phy6 »

lettergram wrote: post #27
adventurer wrote: post #13

2,800 of the 3,100 documents have been released. April 26, 2018 is apparently the new date for the remainder of the documents to be reviewed by the President and potentially released.

Good use of his time clearly...

Maybe he's trying to avoid the same fate as JFK.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by cafard »

unabridged wrote: post #93
sharpercoder wrote: post #5

I saw a documentary which analyzed footage found around 2000 iirc (discovered old footage) of the murder. The conclusion was that due to the wound exit, the shooter could never have been Oswald. It convinced me. Who does the American public currently believe to be the shooter? Is there consensus for some theory?

When I was young and loved the movie JFK I thought it was a huge conspiracy. Then I went to Daley plaza, its so much smaller than it seems on tv, that window is really close. I think any reasonably trained shooter could have got him.

A movie that set up Jim Garrison as one of its heroes was going to have problems.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by dragontamer »

tzakrajs wrote: post #45
dragontamer wrote: post #35

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> claiming jet fuel can't melt steel beams Just note: Jet Fuel probably can't melt steel beams, because steel has a significantly higher melting point than the temperature of jet fuel. Of course, Steel Beams are about as strong as a wet-noodle at Jet-fuel temperatures: https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA?t=1m55s Which of course, would cause the towers to collapse. But seriously, Jet Fuel doesn't "melt" steel beams. It just…

Also there were documented hotspots that were in excess of steel melting temperature. This was due to regular office debris being burnt quickly, thanks to the jet fuel that had catalyzed it when it sprayed out into the center and floors above and below the crash site. I read about this in the excellent 9/11 debunk series by Popular Mechanics.

Conspiracy theorists will come up with anything to prove themselves correct.

For example:

> Also there were documented hotspots that were in excess of steel melting temperature.

This will be evidence for the Thermite that the "Big Bad Government" planted in the towers to make it an inside job.

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When talking to a conspiracy theorist, do NOT challenge them to a facts battle. You take their facts that they tell you, and you debunk what they're saying individually. The vast majority of 9/11 Truthers believe in "Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams", so you must FOCUS on this argument.

A conspiracy theorist will always, always, ALWAYS "out fact" you. Because their community is making up bull----, they have way more "facts" than you ever will have. You can't win by "breadth" of argument, you can only win with "depth" of argument.

NEVER broaden an argument against a conspiracy theorist. That's how they win.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by mkempe »

asveikau wrote: post #42
satya71 wrote: post #36

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I was under the impression that British schools still teach that colonies actually benefited from British occupation. Looks like you went out of the way to learn the reality. Kudos!

At some point, maybe ten years ago, I realized that with the internet today it's sometimes incredibly easy to see and expose national biases... One of the tricks I came up with back then: Look up any Wikipedia article on US involvement in Latin America. Change the language from English to Spanish. Same topic. Sometimes vastly different reality.

That is indeed one major, unsung positive of Wikipedia's multi-lingual system.

I do it regularly (across a couple of languages other than English) when reading about current events, cultural artifacts, political entities, and most of all history.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by coldtea »

smnrchrds wrote: post #26
clarkmoody wrote: post #9

One of the best Radiolab episodes I've heard was Mau Mau [1], which chronicled the uncovering of thousands of documents pertaining to the British Empire in Kenya. The extent to which history must be rewritten is stunning, only to be surpassed by the brutality of the English. Not that releasing the JFK assassination files would rewrite an extensive period of history, but the precedent remains: the grim truth of histor…

On a similar note, most Iranians blame the British, who were occupying the country at the time, for the Persian famine of 1917–1919. It is by some accounts estimated that up to half the population died in the famine, while the British were using the agricultural output for their war efforts and enacting policies that made the situation worse. Its portrayal in Iran is like a more aggravated version of the Irish famine…

>However, outside of Iran few believe this accounts

Few? This is the most mainstream narrative in the parts of Europe I know of.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by twostoned »

asveikau wrote: post #42
satya71 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression that British schools still teach that colonies actually benefited from British occupation. Looks like you went out of the way to learn the reality. Kudos!

At some point, maybe ten years ago, I realized that with the internet today it's sometimes incredibly easy to see and expose national biases... One of the tricks I came up with back then: Look up any Wikipedia article on US involvement in Latin America. Change the language from English to Spanish. Same topic. Sometimes vastly different reality.

This makes multilingualism seems incredibly important (which I think it is)
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