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Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by irrational »

jwdunne wrote: post #34
smnrchrds wrote: post #26

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On a similar note, most Iranians blame the British, who were occupying the country at the time, for the Persian famine of 1917–1919. It is by some accounts estimated that up to half the population died in the famine, while the British were using the agricultural output for their war efforts and enacting policies that made the situation worse. Its portrayal in Iran is like a more aggravated version of the Irish famine…

This isn't a stretch to believe. I'm British too. We did something similar with India. We also allowed the Irish famine to happen too. History does say we were not a very kind empire - causing famine was not beyond us.

It wasn't just you. The other European colonization efforts likewise destroyed the lives of millions of people. I always get a chuckle when I see Europeans deriding the American Empire. Pot calling the kettle black much?

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by asveikau »

satya71 wrote: post #36
jwdunne wrote: post #34

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This isn't a stretch to believe. I'm British too. We did something similar with India. We also allowed the Irish famine to happen too. History does say we were not a very kind empire - causing famine was not beyond us.

I was under the impression that British schools still teach that colonies actually benefited from British occupation. Looks like you went out of the way to learn the reality. Kudos!

At some point, maybe ten years ago, I realized that with the internet today it's sometimes incredibly easy to see and expose national biases...

One of the tricks I came up with back then: Look up any Wikipedia article on US involvement in Latin America. Change the language from English to Spanish. Same topic. Sometimes vastly different reality.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by tigershark »

satya71 wrote: post #36
jwdunne wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a stretch to believe. I'm British too. We did something similar with India. We also allowed the Irish famine to happen too. History does say we were not a very kind empire - causing famine was not beyond us.

I was under the impression that British schools still teach that colonies actually benefited from British occupation. Looks like you went out of the way to learn the reality. Kudos!

It depends from case to case, you can't generalise. Ask people in Hong Kong if they prefer to be part of China instead of a British colony for example.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by kelukelugames »

tigershark wrote: post #43
satya71 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was under the impression that British schools still teach that colonies actually benefited from British occupation. Looks like you went out of the way to learn the reality. Kudos!

It depends from case to case, you can't generalise. Ask people in Hong Kong if they prefer to be part of China instead of a British colony for example.

A fairer comparison would be between autonomy vs British colony.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by tzakrajs »

dragontamer wrote: post #35
lstyls wrote: post #7

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> Who does the American public currently believe to be the shooter? What does this have to do with anything? Reality isn't a democracy. It's absolutely possible the shot came from Oswald. Tastelessness aside, try playing JFK Reloaded ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK_Reloaded ). Claiming the ballistics don't make sense is as debunked as claiming jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

> claiming jet fuel can't melt steel beams Just note: Jet Fuel probably can't melt steel beams, because steel has a significantly higher melting point than the temperature of jet fuel. Of course, Steel Beams are about as strong as a wet-noodle at Jet-fuel temperatures: https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA?t=1m55s Which of course, would cause the towers to collapse. But seriously, Jet Fuel doesn't "melt" steel beams. It just…

Also there were documented hotspots that were in excess of steel melting temperature. This was due to regular office debris being burnt quickly, thanks to the jet fuel that had catalyzed it when it sprayed out into the center and floors above and below the crash site. I read about this in the excellent 9/11 debunk series by Popular Mechanics.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by tzakrajs »

jakeogh wrote: post #11
lstyls wrote: post #7

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> Who does the American public currently believe to be the shooter? What does this have to do with anything? Reality isn't a democracy. It's absolutely possible the shot came from Oswald. Tastelessness aside, try playing JFK Reloaded ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK_Reloaded ). Claiming the ballistics don't make sense is as debunked as claiming jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

They melted. There's no doubt about that. I should note that NIST disagrees with you if you mean they melted before the three buildings were destroyed... or after. http://archive.is/5dz5G more: http://s3.amazonaws.com/nasathermalimages/public/video/Prete...

Turns out jet fuel can catalyze fires that burn hotter than jet fuel.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by psergeant »

narrator wrote: post #22
clarkmoody wrote: post #9

One of the best Radiolab episodes I've heard was Mau Mau [1], which chronicled the uncovering of thousands of documents pertaining to the British Empire in Kenya. The extent to which history must be rewritten is stunning, only to be surpassed by the brutality of the English. Not that releasing the JFK assassination files would rewrite an extensive period of history, but the precedent remains: the grim truth of histor…

It's lucky the American Revolution happened in 1776 before the British had all that industrial might to suppress rebellions that they used in the Boer war and their other brutal colonial repressions.

It gave the Americans the chance to use it on the native Americans. The first concentration camps were American, not British.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by kelukelugames »

indubitable wrote: post #40
wallace_f wrote: post #2

Hypothetically, if a group of people was willing to go to all the trouble of breaking laws to assassinate a President, what's forcing them to be honorable in producing and releasing information implicating themselves? It seems any excitement is contingent on believing not just in the conspiracy, but also in extreme incompetence, no?

I would be surprised if the releases containing anything especially new, but the government most certainly maintains incriminating information on themselves. For instance we now know that the FBI discovered compromising information on MLK and tried to black mail him into suicide. [1] They also discovered his infidelity through surveillance and contacted his wife again trying to damage his character. This was all well…

If King's affairs are real then why are they not more widely known? I haven't seen any conclusive evidence other than Hoover's letter.

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by jakeogh »

tzakrajs wrote: post #46
jakeogh wrote: post #11

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They melted. There's no doubt about that. I should note that NIST disagrees with you if you mean they melted before the three buildings were destroyed... or after. http://archive.is/5dz5G more: http://s3.amazonaws.com/nasathermalimages/public/video/Prete...

Turns out jet fuel can catalyze fires that burn hotter than jet fuel.

It's interesting. Oxygen poor fires that melt steel and last for months. http://archive.is/VrfXW

Re: How to Read the JFK Assassination Files

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Post by rapsey »

satya71 wrote: post #36
jwdunne wrote: post #34

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This isn't a stretch to believe. I'm British too. We did something similar with India. We also allowed the Irish famine to happen too. History does say we were not a very kind empire - causing famine was not beyond us.

I was under the impression that British schools still teach that colonies actually benefited from British occupation. Looks like you went out of the way to learn the reality. Kudos!

The world is not black and white. The british built infrastructure that is still being used today. Like their railway system. They also educated the populace.
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