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Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Technically, you're supposed to actually kill Nazis, since the US government (and many others) literally declared war against them. Anything short of that is just a gratuity towards them. Honestly, Americans aren't horrified enough by the mere existence of these people, treating them as an academic concept. If you actually know Nazis, you already know they're an extremely violent group. It took only a few days of me…

The United States declared war against the government of Germany, not "Nazis." It's in the declaration, twice: JOINT RESOLUTION Declaring That a State of War Exists Between The Government of Germany and the Government and the People of the United States and Making Provisions To Prosecute The Same ... the President is hereby authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States an…

Nazis were the government of Germany.

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I haven't seen any sympathy for Antifa on HN.

In your opinion, are Antifa racists?

It depends on whether you believe racism is power + prejudice or just prejudice. Since I subscribe to the latter, yes.

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Amazing ( well, more like sad ) that the first comments I see are "well, we can agree that nazis are bad, but this is a slippery slope, what about BLM, and antifa" Nazism - The belief ( on pseudoscience i may add )that other races ( a term that has no scientific basis ) are only worthy of extermination ( death, MDK ) BLM - The belief ( on experiences of some in society ), that Black people are not treated the same in…

Nazism has nothing to do with extermination.

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It was Dallas, not Houston. >Most of the politically-incited violence of the past few years has been left-wing. Is this claim based on data or anecdotes?

From the WITS - https://imgur.com/a/nE1of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Incidents_Tracking_S... If you know a good replacement, please let me know. That's worldwide data, but even using worldwide data, there just aren't that many violent Nazis out there.

This is going to take me a few minutes...

WITS was discontinued 5 years ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/theories-mean...

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-does-the-far-right-hol...

[warning, pdf] https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/MurderAndE...

[2015 study; warning, pdf] https://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013/06/Kurzman_Schanzer_...

I'm actually quite certain that antifa has either been infiltrated by agent provocateurs or is populated by useful idiots. I say this as a life long Republican (until March '03).

Edit: Am I supposed to summarize these 4 articles in order to be considered adequate response to a wiki link of an org that was dissolved 5 years ago?

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I did read what you wrote. You are not arguing for the right to free speech, you are arguing for a right to a platform (yet referring to such as an appeal to free speech). And there is no such thing. There is no right to a platform for your speech. You are allowed to say it, but nobody has any obligation to repeat, produce, disseminate or validate your speech.

Again, I ask what good is a right if one can not reasonably exercise it? I also suggest we are veering too far from the topic. To be very, very clear - Reddit is under no obligation to allow anything they do not wish to allow.

No one's rights are being infringed upon. The right to free speech is certainly still in their hands. Their audience is then anyone within earshot.

Your question seems to me to be a red herring, and doesn't seem relevant in the discussion surrounding web-based fora. While "the internet" in some abstract form could be construed as a human right in this modern technological world of ours, the World Wide Web as it stands today very much is not that. The infrastructure is privately maintained, and as such is not granted the protections that the 1st amendment provides. Likewise the services that are built upon the physical infrastructure, namely websites and data-transmission services, are not obligated to enforce rights.

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> Nazi is a term loosely used today. Not by me. When I say Nazi, I specifically mean someone who publicly identifies with that group, uses their words, wears their clothes, and carries their flag: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/09/alt-weaken... If you show up to a rally carrying a Nazi flag, I'll unapologetically call you a Nazi. It's only identity politics in the sense that I'm identifying the politi…

> If you show up to a rally carrying a Nazi flag, I'll unapologetically call you a Nazi Maybe I need to get out more, but I've never seen a person carrying a Nazi flag, nor have I seen an actual person with any swastika gear; other than a Jew who had a Buddhist painting with a row of Swastikas. I looked at the flag in Charlottesville & it looked quite new (still had creases). Also the man carrying the flag looked not…

> Also the man carrying the flag looked nothing like your typical Neo-Nazi.

He was literally carrying a Nazi flag. That looks exactly like a Neo-Nazi.

> Is this similar to how Antifa attacks supporters of the evil Yamika wearing "Nazi" Ben Shapiro in Berkeley?

I can't speak for anyone but myself. I never apply that N-word to someone I merely disagree with. I reserve it for people who literally parade around in public saying "I wear the swastika, carry the flag, and say 'I am a Nazi'." That there are people willing and comfortable doing this makes me sad.

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Hmmmmm weren't we talking about Nazis, not identity politics...

What's your definition of a Nazi? It's difficult to talk about a word that has a fuzzy meaning. To some elements of the the modern left (i.e. Antifa), it seems like anybody who does not agree with certain ideologies, such as "Equality" (in the Identity Politics sense; again "Equality" has a fuzzy meaning), is equated with being a Nazi. To paraphrase what I wrote above, the White Nationalist (aka "the Nazis") movement…

Why is Equality an ideology? Isn't it basic human decency?

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In your opinion, are Antifa racists?

It depends on whether you believe racism is power + prejudice or just prejudice. Since I subscribe to the latter, yes.

Who is Antifa prejudiced against? I'm white but I've never felt like they were any danger to me whatsoever.

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Well to be fair, one is entirely bad, jut to be clear thats the Nazis. There may be some rogue elements in the other groups who perhaps would use violence to further their cause but it is not their fundamental belief. Whereas Nazi ideology specifically calls for the extermination of others, neither of the other 2 groups are anywhere remotely near that position. There are no good Nazis. Sure there were some Nazis in W…

This is part of the problem with these debates that I've noticed: it's an attempt on the one hand to carry on the debate purely in terms of free speech, abstracted from the contents of any particular ideology. And yet, part of what makes you "wrong" to oppose speech of particular groups is that you are just as bad as them. That's a judgment of the "wrongness" of a particular ideology, being directly appealed to, to j…

Funny how the "slippery slope" argument seems to only get used by people resorting to false equivalencies immediately upon commencement of discussions on this topic.

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Amazing ( well, more like sad ) that the first comments I see are "well, we can agree that nazis are bad, but this is a slippery slope, what about BLM, and antifa" Nazism - The belief ( on pseudoscience i may add )that other races ( a term that has no scientific basis ) are only worthy of extermination ( death, MDK ) BLM - The belief ( on experiences of some in society ), that Black people are not treated the same in…

What's the point of putting an argument out there and then saying not to nitpick your points? Your entire argument is based around definitions. Of course your definitions are loose and biased, you know that. You're just venting and telling people you don't care if you're wrong.

You're going to have to point out the specific biases you see, because those definitions look quite accurate to me.
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