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Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Hmm. This is going to be interesting. I mean, nearly everyone should be fine with banning Nazis. After all, they're vile and in my opinion don't deserve any place on the world except the inside of a jail cell... The problem is: where will the line be drawn? What about Black Lives Matter? The more, uh, militant parts of the Antifa movement? Militant animal rights groups (which actually are treated as domestic terroris…

>The problem is: where will the line be drawn? Intolerance, you draw the line at Intolerance. If BLM, PETA, Antifa want people of other race/class/sexual orientation harmed in any kind of way, sure go ahead and ban them. If on the other hand they want fair treatment, equality or reprieve from targeted brutality, listen to them and see how we as a society can address their concern. If they resort to violence, arrest t…

> Intolerance, you draw the line at Intolerance.

That doesn't work. There are lots of people who are extremely intolerant to people who hold views that weren't very controversial a decade or two ago and are still widely held today; case in point, Brendan Eich (and the intolerant campaign that got him fired). "Unacceptable intolerance" is something that can have very different definitions from one person to the next, so it's not a useful test.

> It is not really that hard.

Drawing the line about what the limits of free expression are in an open society is a very hard problem. Saying it isn't is flippant and frankly wrong.

> The irony in this whole thing is, the more tolerant you are to an inherently intolerant ideology like white-supremacy, the less tolerant we become as a society.

That isn't true either, it can also show societal confidence that ideas like white-supremacy are wrong and that the light of scrutiny will make them look foolish.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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>The problem is: where will the line be drawn? Intolerance, you draw the line at Intolerance. If BLM, PETA, Antifa want people of other race/class/sexual orientation harmed in any kind of way, sure go ahead and ban them. If on the other hand they want fair treatment, equality or reprieve from targeted brutality, listen to them and see how we as a society can address their concern. If they resort to violence, arrest t…

> Intolerance, you draw the line at Intolerance. Not that simple! "Intolerance: unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behaviour that differ from one's own". Does unwillingness to accept Nazi ideology make you intolerant?

> Does unwillingness to accept Nazi ideology make you intolerant?

Yes.

Let the banning begin.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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There was a T_D user who faked a knife attack. He said it was a black person who did it because "he was white". He immediately posted his bloody hand on T_D and said "apparently I look like a NAZI". It was later found out that he made it up. He cut himself. He did it intentionally to stir up hate for black people. The entire sub is effectively 4chan. Crass jokes, fake news, subliminal degenerate brainwashing. It is a…

Do you have a link? I can't find anything after some cursory googling. Also, how did T_D respond when the hoax came out? Also, do you see a problem with one person doing something bad, and then blaming a whole group?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/neo-nazi-sta...

I remember seeing the user post the image on T_D immediately. Can't find it now, he likely deleted it. It was highly upvoted.

I don't remember seeing a "we are sorry about the fake story" post.

> do you see a problem with one person doing something bad, and then blaming a whole group?

I am not saying everyone is lying. I am saying the sub exists to find incredibly colorful stories that center around white people being attacked and victimized to stoke hatred against all non-whites. Muslims/blacks/mexicans/etc.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Me? It's the US government that's advocating violence against a group of people. If you have issues with killing Nazis, take it up with them. It's as if people have no idea what Nazis actually are.

Take a hard, deep and pondered look at what you wrote.

I love that there are people that think of Nazis as an academic expression group, instead of as a militant organization.

These people have NO idea...

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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The answer is easy - because people came face to face with the downsides of free speech, and also how it has been gamed to promote the very worst of humanity, culminating in the election of the most dangerously, maliciously unqualified person to ever lead America. New evidence can lead to reevaluating opinions.

But there was no reevaluation. It was just silently dropped in favour of "safety." And of course free speech is being used to promote the worst. You don't need much protection to discuss your favourite brand and their amazing products.

Exactly: Popular speech requires no protection; the principle of free expression (and free speech laws) protect unpopular and hated speech.

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> Far left groups are generally considered to be unsuccessful in the arc of history Um, what? China, the Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, just to name a few of the more famous ones. Tens of millions killed in the name of a communist utopia.

China is a more complicated story, I think. But North Korea and pre-Stalin Communist Russia are not regarded as "successful" and Post-Stalin Russia is reasonably rejected as a tenable example of leftism. Cuba, I think, is looked upon more favorably now than when it was more centrally managed?

Is "not real communism" still the go-to counterpoint? Can we excuse the failures of Nazism and fascism by saying they weren't real fascism? I don't think so. Judge political ideologies by their results, not their lofty intentions.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

#127

Hmm. This is going to be interesting. I mean, nearly everyone should be fine with banning Nazis. After all, they're vile and in my opinion don't deserve any place on the world except the inside of a jail cell... The problem is: where will the line be drawn? What about Black Lives Matter? The more, uh, militant parts of the Antifa movement? Militant animal rights groups (which actually are treated as domestic terroris…

Black Lives Matter is very specifically an anti-violence organization. The Root has an article debunking the idea they're somehow comparable: http://www.theroot.com/for-white-people-who-compare-black-li... Nevertheless, the end of the day, privately owned websites on the Internet are not "free speech zones". Each site sets their own rules. There are numerous sites out there where Nazis are welcome (Voat, Gab, the var…

When they want to discredit BLM, pundits (e.g. Hannity) just show the video from a few years ago where there are black people chanting, "pigs in a blanket, fry'em like bacon" while marching. They play it over and over again and claim these people are all violent. Yes, it's illogical, no, they won't stop.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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Twitter has banned over 350,000 ISIS accounts in the last year or two, and that's happened without Hacker News noticing, as far as I can tell. There's not any stories about it that come up in HN search with as many points as this has now. How is this situation different?

A loud group of HN users are, apparently, very very sympathetic to the wellbeing of violent racists.

I haven't seen any sympathy for Antifa on HN.

Re: Reddit Bans Nazi Groups and Others in Crackdown on Violent Content

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post #123

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Do you have a link? I can't find anything after some cursory googling. Also, how did T_D respond when the hoax came out? Also, do you see a problem with one person doing something bad, and then blaming a whole group?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/28/neo-nazi-sta... I remember seeing the user post the image on T_D immediately. Can't find it now, he likely deleted it. It was highly upvoted. I don't remember seeing a "we are sorry about the fake story" post. > do you see a problem with one person doing something bad, and then blaming a whole group? I am not saying everyone is lying. I am saying the sub exists to find…

Here's some threads I can find about it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6wn655/remember...

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/6wp8p6/what_a_l...

Upvoted quotes: "What a fucking idiot.", "What an Imbecile.", "Did he just commit self-harm just to get attention? What a retard.", "That's pathetic. Disavowed.", "On the bright side, someone stabbed him."

If you think that is what T_D is about, you obviously haven't spent much time there.

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