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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#81
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was high up in a department I wanted a job in. I was not in the IT department, but I have a Certificate in GIS. He knew that and never wondered if I might be an asset to the IT department, nor if I might want to move to an IT position, which would have paid better than what I was doing. I really don't like your second question for a long list of reasons. I don't really see that being a constructive dialogue.

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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#82

> I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This is an incredibly disgusting and miss-guided view of sexual harassment.

Not really. I'm not an expert on Sexual Harassment law, but it is my understanding there are 2 general kinds of sexual harassment. One is where there is such pervasive harassment of a sexual nature that it constitutes a "hostile work environment". For instance if firefighters put up centerfolds throughout the firehouse. This does not seem to be alleged here. The other is where a person in a superior position uses tha…

> That seems to be what he is defending against. After reading the article, I didn't find anything in there that constituted sexual harassment.

Yeah, because this is him trying to change the story and narrative. Go actually read the stories on his accusations and you'll see they are forms of sexual harassment.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#83
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of a rape actually having occurred. It was deliberately crafted to be so. So if we want to apply some science to our guessing: what is the fraction of real harrassment incidents to fraudulently reported ones in our society? You can "some women" and "because he disgregarded" your way around the disembling, but the t…

Hell, studies have said anywhere between 2% to 90%[0] of rape reports are false, but telling that a rape is false / true is _incredibly_ hard due to it basically being "he says" vs. "she says". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumne...

For clarity: the larger more rigorous studies put it much closer to the 2% end.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#84
post #20

I'll preface this with, I don't know who this guy is and this is the first time I heard anything about this, I am unfamiliar with the allegations. I am just absolutely shocked by this >I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. JFC, does anyone actual…

It can be any of those people, true. But EEOC also says;

harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).

So I think he is responding to the second half of that definition, meaning it's not totally irrelevant.

For a client or customer's harassment to be illegal it would have to be "so frequent or severe it creates a hostile or offensive work environment".

Note that "offensive work environment" certainly doesn't mean someone was offended once.

Let me caveat this with I have read absolutely none of the accusations levied.

I do think that sexual harassment should be defined carefully. In some cases what people are describing as sexual harassment is actually assault and I think the two should be carefully distinguished.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#85
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of a rape actually having occurred. It was deliberately crafted to be so. So if we want to apply some science to our guessing: what is the fraction of real harrassment incidents to fraudulently reported ones in our society? You can "some women" and "because he disgregarded" your way around the disembling, but the t…

Hell, studies have said anywhere between 2% to 90%[0] of rape reports are false, but telling that a rape is false / true is _incredibly_ hard due to it basically being "he says" vs. "she says". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumne...

The 90% figure from that list is described by the study which listed it as from an unreliable/untested research methodology with a small sample size (18 cases). It looks more like ~20% is a more common upper bound for the figures listed.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#86
post #20

I'll preface this with, I don't know who this guy is and this is the first time I heard anything about this, I am unfamiliar with the allegations. I am just absolutely shocked by this >I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. JFC, does anyone actual…

The problem is, he is one of the MOST influential people in the tech ecosystem. Yes, he is a "blogger", but in many cases he could make or break a product, a startup or a career. A friend of mine startup was noticed (and acquired) by Facebook because Scoble started blogging about it and that came to the attention of Zuckerberg. This guy leaves and breathes in tech conferences, as he is a regular invited speaker/guest…

I think you overstate his influence even back in the day. But absolutely to the rest of your comment. One of the more cringeworthy parts of a rather cringeworthy post.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#88
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're take away from this is that he, Robert Scoble, is in more need of protection via body cam than any of the women who came out against him?

No, my take away is that mere accusations, regardless of legitimacy, can destroy your career and reputation. Assuming you didn't do these evil deeds, having video or audio proof(if legal in your jurisdiction) is really the only way to counter them. Otherwise, what do you say? "No, I didn't rape/sexually assault this person". The accusation alone is salacious enough that a mere denial isn't going to change anyone's mi…

> Assuming you didn't do these evil deeds, having video or audio proof(if legal in your jurisdiction) is really the only way to counter them.

Well, the traditional solution to this is to just cross-examine the accusers about the cut of their skirt, whether or not they had any idea what they were doing when you invited them to the hotel room, how many casual sexual partners they had, and all sorts of other bullshit that's completely irrelevant to whether or not they were raped or harassed.

It tends to work pretty well for people who are actually guilty, it should work even better for the innocent.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#89
post #36

Does anyone else find it bizarre that he writes "Quinn Norton, by her own account, physically accosted me[...] While it is admirable that Quinn wanted to defend the honor of another woman and the sanctity of marriage, perhaps she should have done so using the resources of the conference, or at a minimum in a manner that didn’t lead to her assaulting me," given that Norton's actual account is that he struck him becaus…

> given that Norton's actual account is that she struck him because he grabbed her and put his arm around her?

Nope. According to Quinn, on her medium post, Scoble put one hand on her breast, then a reach around, ending in a butt grab.

> And then, without any more warning, Scoble was on me. I felt one hand on my breast and his arm reaching around and grabbing my butt. Scoble is considerably bigger than I am, and I realized quickly I wasn’t going to be able to push him away. Meanwhile, the people around just watched, in what I can only imagine was stunned shock. I got a hand free and used a palm strike to the base of his chin to knock him back. It worked, he flew back and struggled to get his feet under him. I watched his feet carefully for that moment. He was unbalanced from the alcohol and I realized if he reached for me again I could pull him forward, bounce his face off my knee, then drive it into the ground. (I knew this move because it had been done to me, then the martial arts expert who did it picked me up and apologetically showed me how to do it.)

Source: Robert Scoble and Me ( @quinnnorton on medium.com ) => https://medium.com/@quinnnorton/robert-scoble-and-me-9b14ee9...

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

#90
post #20

I'll preface this with, I don't know who this guy is and this is the first time I heard anything about this, I am unfamiliar with the allegations. I am just absolutely shocked by this >I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. JFC, does anyone actual…

The problem is, he is one of the MOST influential people in the tech ecosystem. Yes, he is a "blogger", but in many cases he could make or break a product, a startup or a career. A friend of mine startup was noticed (and acquired) by Facebook because Scoble started blogging about it and that came to the attention of Zuckerberg. This guy leaves and breathes in tech conferences, as he is a regular invited speaker/guest…

Where does this line of thinking lead? I mean it's one thing to limit any attempts at intimacy in the workplace, but if you're just 'influential enough' then you expand this definition to include anyone in the entire tech sector? This seems clearly illogical.

Again, if there was assault it's a totally different matter. But sexual harassment is a lower bar specifically because of the idea no one should have to work in a hostile work environment. You can't create a hostile work environment if you're not actually working with someone or exerting direct influence over their career?

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