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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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blattimwind wrote: post #38
TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #15

> I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This is an incredibly disgusting and miss-guided view of sexual harassment.

This paragraph clearly relates the allegations against him to those against Weinstein et al, who used their power of "making or breaking careers" to coerce women. If you do not possess such a power, as he argues, you cannot possibly commit this kind of sexual harassment.

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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by minimaxir »

arkades wrote: post #30
minimaxir wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have no clue if they are true, or how true they are, but I believe that because he disregarded his lawyer's advice and made a statement, there is at least a little bit of truth here. Quinn Norton’s account of her interactions with Scoble has been corroborated by multiple witnesses and it drastically disagrees with Scoble’s account: https://twitter.com/willoremus/status/923257035742781440 Layers advise clients to…

That is a link to a screen grab of a Norton quote alongside a screen grab of a Scoble quote. It doesn’t seem to include any corroboration by anyone. Wrong link?

That screengrab was to highlight the differences; for corroboration, see the comments section in Norton’s article itself: https://medium.com/@quinnnorton/robert-scoble-and-me-9b14ee9...

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by codefined »

ajross wrote: post #29
DiabloD3 wrote: post #13

I think this can be best described as "sinking the boat just to kill the captain." In the interest of being the devil's advocate: if he is telling the truth, this looks very bad for several of the women that accused him of sexual harassment, and tried to inflate his cheating on his wife into something much worse. I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of…

> I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of a rape actually having occurred. It was deliberately crafted to be so. So if we want to apply some science to our guessing: what is the fraction of real harrassment incidents to fraudulently reported ones in our society? You can "some women" and "because he disgregarded" your way around the disembling, but the t…

Hell, studies have said anywhere between 2% to 90%[0] of rape reports are false, but telling that a rape is false / true is _incredibly_ hard due to it basically being "he says" vs. "she says".

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Rumne...

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by TarpitCarnivore »

blattimwind wrote: post #38
TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #15

> I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This is an incredibly disgusting and miss-guided view of sexual harassment.

This paragraph clearly relates the allegations against him to those against Weinstein et al, who used their power of "making or breaking careers" to coerce women. If you do not possess such a power, as he argues, you cannot possibly commit this kind of sexual harassment.

And that some how makes his statement better? Sexual harassment is sexual harassment.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by [deleted] »

DiabloD3 wrote: post #13

I think this can be best described as "sinking the boat just to kill the captain." In the interest of being the devil's advocate: if he is telling the truth, this looks very bad for several of the women that accused him of sexual harassment, and tried to inflate his cheating on his wife into something much worse. I mean, this sounds a lot like how some women accuse guys of rape just to cause harm to them, instead of…

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Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by grzm »

blfr wrote: post #42

Why is it relevant to HN? Who is this? Were the original accusations posted here? It's also rather pointless to nitpick legal definitions of sexual harassment when the guy starts by mentioning he rejected his lawyer's advice.

It's Robert Scoble. From Wikipedia:

> Robert Scoble … is an American blogger, technical evangelist, and author. Scoble is best known for his blog, Scobleizer, which came to prominence during his tenure as a technology evangelist at Microsoft. He later worked for Fast Company as a video blogger, and then Rackspace and the Rackspace-sponsored community site Building 43 promoting breakthrough technology and startups. He is a partner at Transformation Group and a noted evangelist in the immersive media industries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Scoble

There have been discussions related to this here recently. One is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15519902

Other comments can be found using the search: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=scoble&sort=byDate&prefix&page...

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by emodendroket »

zaroth wrote: post #48
TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #15

> I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. This is an incredibly disgusting and miss-guided view of sexual harassment.

If you're hoping for substantive discussion it would be good if you could say more. Just like on HN the guidelines are to take the most charitable interpretation possible of what someone wrote when responding, I think it's best to apply the same process when critiquing TFA.

I don't know how charitable we can be... this definition of sexual harassment seems plainly wrong. It colors the entire statement because it's a definition that excludes huge amounts of what most of us would understand to be sexual harassment.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by dominotw »

astura wrote: post #20

I'll preface this with, I don't know who this guy is and this is the first time I heard anything about this, I am unfamiliar with the allegations. I am just absolutely shocked by this >I don’t have employees, I don’t cut checks for investment. None of the women who came forward were ever in a position where I could make or break their careers. Sexual Harassment requires that I have such power. JFC, does anyone actual…

I think the implication is that victims would have gone to law enforcement if he has no power over them, i.e no consequences for going to law enforcement.

I don't understand why they cant report harassment to law enforcement if its ' unlawful to harass a person '. Thats the only way to get justice in our society.

Re: No, of that I'm innocent

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Post by oh_sigh »

TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #46
oh_sigh wrote: post #19

I have no knowledge of this issue specifically, but more generally, if you're even a somewhat public figure, I think the best course of action is to have a discreet 24/7 bodycam rolling to record all of your interactions. We're at a point where your career and social network can be torpedoed by anyone merely making a claim on social media. No police, no day in court, just allegations are enough.

So you're take away from this is that he, Robert Scoble, is in more need of protection via body cam than any of the women who came out against him?

No, my take away is that mere accusations, regardless of legitimacy, can destroy your career and reputation.

Assuming you didn't do these evil deeds, having video or audio proof(if legal in your jurisdiction) is really the only way to counter them.

Otherwise, what do you say? "No, I didn't rape/sexually assault this person". The accusation alone is salacious enough that a mere denial isn't going to change anyone's mind.

And I would say that the women's accusations, if true, would be bolstered if they had video/audio evidence of it.

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