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If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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Unrelated, but please remember that not everyone here is a native English speaker. It is hard to make head or tails of your comment with all these abbreviations

I don't know what UB is (I'm assuming it's a university). BS = Bachelor of Science MS = Master's of Science HR = Human Resources

I believe UB stands for University at Buffalo [1] or more precisely State University of New York at Buffalo.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_at_Buffalo

Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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Love the article, really hit home for me. I attend UCR, which while being a UC, doesn't get nearly enough attention for its engineering program.

If your company would like to put the practices of this article into use, I would be happy to help you diversify your recruiting process! (I'm on the board for many of our engineering orgs.)

UCR has a surplus of extremely qualified students that don't get internships because of the lack of active recruiting happening on campus.

Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unrelated, but please remember that not everyone here is a native English speaker. It is hard to make head or tails of your comment with all these abbreviations

I don't know what UB is (I'm assuming it's a university). BS = Bachelor of Science MS = Master's of Science HR = Human Resources

UB is presumably the University of Buffalo in New York state.

Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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When I was at Google, I was asked if I wanted to make a recruiting trip to my alma mater. I was excited until I found out they were talking about my grad school where I got my MS, and not UB, a large state school where I got my BS. I told them I'd be happy to take a trip to recruit at UB. I got mostly crickets back from that reply. However, I ended up getting signed up for a series where they had a panel of a few HR…

I agree - and this is even more true at state schools than the slightly more selective schools (like RPI that I went to). State schools have people that got into MIT, but didn't go for financial reasons or family reasons. Nobody at RPI got into MIT because if they did they would have gone to MIT (maybe some rare exception exists, but this is generally true). School admission is obviously not a perfect indicator of ab…

I would assume that schools like RPI also have a lot higher concentration of peers who are applying to places like Google, carrying around copies of Cracking the Coding Interview, returning from internships, and sharing knowledge of the industry and how to prepare for your career. Whether that actually makes someone better prepared to do the job is an open question, but it certainly seems like it would make people appear better prepared to do the job, since they'd know what interviewing companies value.

Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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The only solution is a government mandate. LAW: No American company can employ more than 5 individuals that graduated from the same university. Problem solved. Herein lies the beauty of government.

So a company with 100,000 employees would have to find 20,000 different universities?

Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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I went to a non-top tier undergraduate school. I made efforts--at big companies as well as the one I founded--to recruit from my alma mater . I ended up defaulting to NYU, Harvard and Stanford. Career services at non-top tier schools are shit. Once, as a personal favor, I offered to help a company with a well-known CEO recruit from my state school. When I brought it up with a dean I knew, career services got mad. The…

>It's bad, and it matches that of the schools we recruit from. I don't understand this. If you're matching the diversity of the market, that would seem to me that your recruiting practices are unbiased, which is good, right?

They are matching the diversity of the schools' recruiting efforts. So yes, you could say they are (perhaps) unbiased vs their input, but their input has problems. In other words, their selection of schools to recruit from means they are outsourcing the distribution of your their candidate pool, and the GP poster is not happy with that aspect of the result.

If it doesn't match your society or customer base, and you think those things are important (I do), then it's bad.

(The reasons why I think it's bad are complex, so I won't belabor them here.)

Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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When I was at Google, I was asked if I wanted to make a recruiting trip to my alma mater. I was excited until I found out they were talking about my grad school where I got my MS, and not UB, a large state school where I got my BS. I told them I'd be happy to take a trip to recruit at UB. I got mostly crickets back from that reply. However, I ended up getting signed up for a series where they had a panel of a few HR…

I agree - and this is even more true at state schools than the slightly more selective schools (like RPI that I went to). State schools have people that got into MIT, but didn't go for financial reasons or family reasons. Nobody at RPI got into MIT because if they did they would have gone to MIT (maybe some rare exception exists, but this is generally true). School admission is obviously not a perfect indicator of ab…

Nobody at RPI got into MIT because if they did they would have gone to MIT (maybe some rare exception exists, but this is generally true).

One exception at least. One of my fraternity brothers at RPI came to beautiful Troy, NY when he had the option of MIT.

There really are good reasons for such a choice. The schools that are so famous for their top-end research are achieving that research success by having those elite professors doing research, and that comes at the expense of teaching. Going to a merely "most selective" school rather than "Ivy Plus" is an decent solution to that problem.

(of course, there are other reasons to not go to RPI, but that's a different conversation)

EDIT: I just noticed that you referenced RPI as "slightly more selective". At the time I was there (mid-80s) it was ranked as most selective. I'm aware that its reputation has slipped a bit. While it's not that big a deal to me, as my 30 years experience outweighs all that, I wonder what effect changing reputation has on past students.

Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unrelated, but please remember that not everyone here is a native English speaker. It is hard to make head or tails of your comment with all these abbreviations

I don't know what UB is (I'm assuming it's a university). BS = Bachelor of Science MS = Master's of Science HR = Human Resources

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Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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You are building a CRUD application. You need him or her being +7 on 0 to +100 scale. You are saying that you only start at those who are +70.

Good luck convincing Google (or Netflix / Amazon / Microsoft / any other major company) that anything they do is 'just a CRUD application'. Even when it's true, they'll never admit it.

It's pretty easy to make a bag of garbage; it's non-trivial to make 100M bags of garbage.

Even if they're making CRUD apps, making tons of high-availability CRUD apps that work against dozens of services your team doesn't own that can serve huge fractions of the globe requires non-trivial coordination and skill. (Not that all those companies do is CRUD apps, but even if.)

I'm not sure it's as jard as those companies make it out to be -- but it's not "just CRUD apps", it's the logistics of CRUD apps spanning the globe.

Source: work at one of those companies.

Re: If you care about diversity, don't just hire from the same five schools

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I ended up at a no-name school because I got a terrible financial aid package at an elite school that I'd applied to early decision. So bailed and went to a state school for almost free.

Same here.

I can't find the link but I recall reading (via Freakonomics or Jeff Selingo?) a study that showed that once you control for SATs and income, attending an elite school doesn't confer as much benefit as merely applying to one.
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