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Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#51
I appreciated firebug back in the day, but a few years ago the devs decided to force a white background to it, which did not work in our darkened media studio. They would not reconsider (not the first time I’ve had a run in with white bg fascists; they’ve now taken over the prefs panel).

Thankfully moz dev tools were getting to be just good enough around that time and supported a dark theme. Last time I ever used firebug, thanks for all the fish.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#52
post #8

Firebug didn't just raise the bar for web debugging, it pretty much raised the bar for all debugging tools. It leaves a great legacy with the built-in dev tools. Great project.

Whoa. That's pretty hyperbolic. Firebug is definitely cool but things like SoftICE or the Visual Studio debugger were amazing.

Firebug was free and ubiquitous. Unless you were in a MS shop, the likelihood of having Visual Studio are minimal.

Firebug was a quantum leap in terms of HTTP/JS debugging.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#53
post #49

Firebug didn't just raise the bar for web debugging, it pretty much raised the bar for all debugging tools. It leaves a great legacy with the built-in dev tools. Great project.

I often argue that Firebug is the reason Firefox is still around. It was easier to develop on Firefox and then debug on IE. So a lot of websites worked on Firefox even if the management team didn't care (or even, in our case, when they told us not to support Firefox and we nodded and did it anyway)

> It was easier to develop on Firefox and then debug on IE.

A long time ago, the company I worked at had a website which worked only on IE, because it needed a specific ActiveX control for streaming video. But even though it would never work on Firefox, the developers still made as much of the site as possible work on Firefox, because whenever IE popped up an unhelpful error message ("Object expected" and others), reproducing the error on Firefox gave a useful error message.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#54
"The story of Firefox and Firebug is synonymous with the rise of the web. We fought the good fight and changed how developers inspect HTML and debug JS in the browser. Firebug ushered in the Web 2.0 era. "

I love, used and appreciate firebug as much as the next guy but this is a bit much. Its a great product that helped alot of people it's not an ideal to fight for nor "ushered" in web 2.0.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#55
edit: wldcordeiro pointed to a UI that looks nothing like what I have as a UI (in Firefox 56)... removing my comment until I can figure out why.

edit edit: Apparently the last time I tried to install Firebug it instead asked me to just make Developer Tools look like Firebug, which is definitely a bad idea.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#56

For those that have made the switch in the Firefox Developer era, do you find the developer tools as good as Chrome's? In the last week I've made the switch back to Firefox (Developer) and it's been awesome. I haven't had done any front end work yet so I haven't used the developer tools, though. I never really cared for the ergonomics of the Chrome devtools but I was really familiar with them and could efficiently pr…

Theyre OK, but I find the dev tools on chrome have a much better UX.

I particularly dislike the console in FF which is just one tiny input at the bottom of the window. Overall ff devtools also seem slower to open and clunkier.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#58
post #9

Things instantly became real when firebug for IE came out. To me that one tool made a front end web development career a viable option. Do y'all remember JS before Firebug? ouch

alert()

Or, easier without popups, logging to a div (hidden or at the bottom) that you could expand/open up to see output.

Firebug was revolutionary not only for the console but the inspect tool was very needed as layouts and CSS progressed where outputs weren't enough.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#60
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I absolutely abhor the network panel in Chrome. What do you mean? There are plenty of ways to filter down the activity tab in Chrome if the problem you're experiencing is that the volume of requests is too high to be useful.

I am more at home in FF so this might not be true for Chrome... Just look at the simplicity and elegance of Firebug net panel ( https://2r4s9p1yi1fa2jd7j43zph8r-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/fil... ). I love Mozilla and respect them immensely, but any change they made to Firebug was for the worse. If they just copied the functionalities and design the result would be much better. I am very sorry I had to stop using Firebug…

Why would they make their own. I wish they took over firebug.
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