Saying Goodbye to Firebug • Hacker News Board

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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Post by alayek » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:08 PM UTC

In my first job, about four years ago, my first task was to make certain modifications in firebug for our company's internal use (mostly in reporting and filtering).

I didn't even know JS to begin with. Jan Orvadko, the lead maintainer of Firebug, is an amazingly approachable & affable human being. He helped me a lot in the IRC channel, in going through the firebug codebase.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

#12

Post by pkrefta » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:09 PM UTC

irrational wrote: post #7

Firebug was the greatest thing to happen to web development. Honestly I still prefer it to the native dev tools. I especially love how most things go to the console so I don't have to jump all over the place to find the information I'm looking for. I absolutely abhor the network panel in Chrome. It's like they're purposefully trying to make it difficult.

I can assure you - you're not the only one who hates Network Panel.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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Post by baldfat » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:09 PM UTC

I know Firebug was great but it didn't usher in Web 2.0

> Jan 2007, Firebug 1.0 The start of Web 2.0!

O'Reilly Media Web 2.0 Conference was in 2004

We than had the infamous Time Person of the Year "YOU" "TIME selected the masses of users who were participating in content creation on social networks, blogs, wikis, and media sharing sites."

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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Post by snapetom » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:09 PM UTC

emehrkay wrote: post #9

Things instantly became real when firebug for IE came out. To me that one tool made a front end web development career a viable option. Do y'all remember JS before Firebug? ouch

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Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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Post by jherdman » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:10 PM UTC

pkrefta wrote: post #12

irrational wrote: post #7

Firebug was the greatest thing to happen to web development. Honestly I still prefer it to the native dev tools. I especially love how most things go to the console so I don't have to jump all over the place to find the information I'm looking for. I absolutely abhor the network panel in Chrome. It's like they're purposefully trying to make it difficult.

I can assure you - you're not the only one who hates Network Panel.

It's definitely one of the weakest parts of the Firefox dev tools suite. I quite like Chrome's network panel though.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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Post by eterm » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:11 PM UTC

irrational wrote: post #7

Firebug was the greatest thing to happen to web development. Honestly I still prefer it to the native dev tools. I especially love how most things go to the console so I don't have to jump all over the place to find the information I'm looking for. I absolutely abhor the network panel in Chrome. It's like they're purposefully trying to make it difficult.

I noticed in recent firefox-dev you can now expand XHR requests directly in the console which then pops up a mini network panel.

I don't know how long it's been there, I noticed it today but I might have simply had XHR logging off previously.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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Post by fenier » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:12 PM UTC

jherdman wrote: post #15

pkrefta wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can assure you - you're not the only one who hates Network Panel.

It's definitely one of the weakest parts of the Firefox dev tools suite. I quite like Chrome's network panel though.

I consider Firefox's Network panel more useful than Chrome's. Having the ability to edit and resend network requests out of the box is exceptionally handy.

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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Post by gcb0 » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:12 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #8

drderidder wrote: post #6

Firebug didn't just raise the bar for web debugging, it pretty much raised the bar for all debugging tools. It leaves a great legacy with the built-in dev tools. Great project.

Whoa. That's pretty hyperbolic. Firebug is definitely cool but things like SoftICE or the Visual Studio debugger were amazing.

Don't forgot it was mostly imitating IE6's Internet Explorer Developer Toolbar. Even though it surpassed it pretty fast! go open source!

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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Post by giancarlostoro » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:13 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #8

drderidder wrote: post #6

Firebug didn't just raise the bar for web debugging, it pretty much raised the bar for all debugging tools. It leaves a great legacy with the built-in dev tools. Great project.

Whoa. That's pretty hyperbolic. Firebug is definitely cool but things like SoftICE or the Visual Studio debugger were amazing.

Visual Studio did front-end web debugging back then?

Re: Saying Goodbye to Firebug

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Post by jgrahamc » Tue, Oct 24, 2017, 5:15 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #19

jgrahamc wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoa. That's pretty hyperbolic. Firebug is definitely cool but things like SoftICE or the Visual Studio debugger were amazing.

Visual Studio did front-end web debugging back then?

The parent claimed the following: "Firebug didn't just raise the bar for web debugging, it pretty much raised the bar for all debugging tools." I dispute the idea that Firebug raised the bar for non-web debugging tools.