Things instantly became real when firebug for IE came out. To me that one tool made a front end web development career a viable option. Do y'all remember JS before Firebug? ouch
alert()
document.write() cringe
Saying Goodbye to Firebug
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#22For those that have made the switch in the Firefox Developer era, do you find the developer tools as good as Chrome's?
In the last week I've made the switch back to Firefox (Developer) and it's been awesome. I haven't had done any front end work yet so I haven't used the developer tools, though. I never really cared for the ergonomics of the Chrome devtools but I was really familiar with them and could efficiently profile/debug code.
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#23I'm really concerned about how much weaker the new WebExtensions API than the previous extensions API. Just today I saw (and submitted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15542316) an interesting article about Keysnail, an amazing extension which is impossible to turn into a WebExtension — all because WebExtensions (apparently) forbids overriding C-n despite allowing override of other key sequences.
I'm very concerned for the future direction of Firefox.
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#24Things instantly became real when firebug for IE came out. To me that one tool made a front end web development career a viable option. Do y'all remember JS before Firebug? ouch
alert()
There was a very capable javascript debugger as a mozilla plugin (don't think it was an addon), years before firebug/browsers dev tools had one. It don't remember the name, it was something with a V.
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#25Firebug didn't just raise the bar for web debugging, it pretty much raised the bar for all debugging tools. It leaves a great legacy with the built-in dev tools. Great project.
I'd say Firebug did for browser debugging what jQuery did for closing the gaps between browsers.
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Whoa. That's pretty hyperbolic. Firebug is definitely cool but things like SoftICE or the Visual Studio debugger were amazing.
Visual Studio did front-end web debugging back then?
firebug took a while to have a proper javascript debugger. For a long while, you could only ever have breakpoints using IE+VS... But it was a crapshot if your code had too much DOM interaction. The debugger itself would crash (and offer you to debug itself heh)
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#27For those that have made the switch in the Firefox Developer era, do you find the developer tools as good as Chrome's? In the last week I've made the switch back to Firefox (Developer) and it's been awesome. I haven't had done any front end work yet so I haven't used the developer tools, though. I never really cared for the ergonomics of the Chrome devtools but I was really familiar with them and could efficiently pr…
I consider most of the tools on par or better than what Chrome offers, with the exception of the performance tools. I find that Chrome makes things to clearer to folks, and the panel is easier to work with.
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#28I loved Firebug until chrome's devtools got so good and fast. Chrome's devtools is a main reason why I use chrome so much.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
alert()
There was a very capable javascript debugger as a mozilla plugin (don't think it was an addon), years before firebug/browsers dev tools had one. It don't remember the name, it was something with a V.
Venkman Debugger?
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#30It seems like they open sourced Firebug, developed it and now are taking it private by integrating it into Dev tools.
As, a-side, I feel like users are going to, at some point get tired of building communities and applications to have the mature manifestations be yanked into the corporation and turned into a paid product. Not saying this is what's going on here.
Look at facebook pushing tests on paid Feeds. So users build facebook, businesses build facebook and facebook has the audacity to test paid posts in 6 markets across the country.
When are we going to stop the madness of being web-based surfs, indentured servants, building the new world with no property rights? The current licensing structure of information across the web has to change. There is no organized money behind the users. Until Users organize to build collective power against the usurious user licensing strategies we will continue to be exploited. Look at Hulu circa 2010.