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Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by TeMPOraL »

beingmyself2 wrote: post #126
jressey wrote: post #103

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Human society's categorization of Capitalism as "natural" is probably the reason most responsible for keeping us back from a better world. When you do that, greed is no longer considered a vice but a virtue.

Are you implying that communism is the way forward? I think a lot of murdered people would like to have a word with you, but that wasn't real communism right? If not, please explain your "way forward" that solves the problems that capitalism doesn't while still retaining the same incentives that appeal to basic human psychology. I'm sincerely interested.

Capitalism isn't a package deal. There's plenty you can do to rein it in, without awakening the spirit of Comrade Stalin.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by TeMPOraL »

sametmax wrote: post #82
bhouston wrote: post #41

Facebook pulling a bait and switch for newspapers that forces them to pay to reach an audience they used to reach for free (organic reach)? This has only happened repeatedly in the history of facebook. Facebook is like a game where the difficulty rises after you've had a taste of success. And by difficulty I mean you have to pay to reach your previous levels of success. Facebook did this for those first games (e.g. F…

> But I figure everyone knew this about 5 years ago if not earlier. This is something that keep surprising me. This year we had stories after stories against facebook. But nothing unexpected. Only about things we said again and again would happen, for years. We wrote about it. We discussed about it with friends. But apparently, being loud and clear about something very obvious is not enough. When things are too good…

It's the usual way incentives work. You may or may not have realized this will keep happening, but it doesn't matter either way. At every stage of the process you're presented with a choice - do business with Facebook, or not. And every time, the deal is beneficial to you short-term. In a competitive environment, you usually cannot afford not to take that deal.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mrguyorama wrote: post #96
sametmax wrote: post #82

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> But I figure everyone knew this about 5 years ago if not earlier. This is something that keep surprising me. This year we had stories after stories against facebook. But nothing unexpected. Only about things we said again and again would happen, for years. We wrote about it. We discussed about it with friends. But apparently, being loud and clear about something very obvious is not enough. When things are too good…

I hate that frog analogy. People always use it as shorthand for "small changes over time go unnoticed" but in the actual experiment, the frogs were basically lobotomized. So how are we lobotomized? One sort of answer would be how people are convinced that their data is not important. They are convinced of this while Google and Facebook mine it to no end and the NSA stores pretty much everything you do in Utah. So may…

With people, I'd say it works like this: you tolerate ever increasing temperature, because escaping it would require you to jump out of the pot and traverse the sea of flames surrounding it, to reach a safe spot. You look around, see the hellscape of roaring fire, and decide that maybe the pot is relatively better place for you.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by bobbinsbob »

ameister14 wrote: post #119
vkou wrote: post #91

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It does work as an analogy, because the difference between heroin, and a useful product is that heroin doesn't make your life better. Becoming addicted to heroin means that not using it makes your life worse then using it, even if the net value add is negative. I often feel the same way about Facebook. I stay on because the cost of disconnecting is too high, not because its particular implementation of 'A social netw…

Sure, but thats not the only reason why the analogy doesn't work. The heroin analogy is B2C. The Facebook discussion is B2B.

Utilising that reasoning the game analogy fails also

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by smcl »

cousin_it wrote: post #24
smcl wrote: post #23

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The "News Feed" => "Explore Feed" thing reminds me of this image, someone on Twitter created it when Twitter starting muddling around with their feed: http://zdnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2017/03/31/05706b1f-125b-...

That image is by Jon Bois who went on to create 17776 https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football which is amazing.

Ha it's funny I couldn't remember the original author (I had to google something like "timeline product") only that he had a Hobbes avatar :-D

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by dep_b »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #63
dep_b wrote: post #62

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I see bars and restaurants always post stuff happy Friday pictures with food photos all of the time yet information about what beer or food they actually serve remains a mystery on their social media channels. If they didn't bother with a website I'm basically just guessing based on what they took pictures of.

In that case they're probably just looking to grow their following by having a high enough engagement to appear in the featured page of IG, and remind their existing followers that they exist. Here it's less about promoting the food and more about promoting the image of the food, so it gets shared more widely.

Very paradoxical as social media should give companies the opportunity to engage more directly with their customers. It's like meeting a very interesting Hacker News poster IRL and the only thing that person can talk about is some kind of sports team you don't give a shit about.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by WalterSear »

Nokinside wrote: post #107
beingmyself2 wrote: post #94

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How is this a Walmart problem though? This is a totally natural result of free-market competition. When two competing pizza restaurants can no longer squeeze a lower price by reducing quality or working staff harder, they move the production offshore to countries with lower costs (usually looks like slavery). If we want to stop this natural phenomenon we would need new trade agreements to provide a financial incentiv…

It's not Walmart's problem, it's market failure and problem for others. Natural result of free-market competition is sometimes market failure.

The natural result of free-market competition is the ultimately the sale of the market.

Usually piece by piece, as we are seeing here, and in congress.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by _Tev »

PeanutNore wrote: post #71

As a former active user on Facebook, this sort of change may succeed in bringing people like me back to the site. The minimal effort required in hitting that "share" button means that every page that organically reached my friends would end up polluting my news feed as well with crap that I wasn't interested in and got in the way of what I had originally joined FB for. If my friends aren't seeing these posts, they wo…

> So, I assume that there are others like me who have recently been deleting the FB app and avoiding the website, if not deleting their accounts entirely.

It is funny how programmers assume everyone thinks like them. I have not seen similar anti-FB stance from any other group, no matter the social status / education.

Except maybe older people, who never used any social network / messaging outside the cellular network. And even among them there are exceptions ...

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