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Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by prsimp »

mrguyorama wrote: post #96
sametmax wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I figure everyone knew this about 5 years ago if not earlier. This is something that keep surprising me. This year we had stories after stories against facebook. But nothing unexpected. Only about things we said again and again would happen, for years. We wrote about it. We discussed about it with friends. But apparently, being loud and clear about something very obvious is not enough. When things are too good…

I hate that frog analogy. People always use it as shorthand for "small changes over time go unnoticed" but in the actual experiment, the frogs were basically lobotomized. So how are we lobotomized? One sort of answer would be how people are convinced that their data is not important. They are convinced of this while Google and Facebook mine it to no end and the NSA stores pretty much everything you do in Utah. So may…

> One sort of answer would be how people are convinced that their data is not important.

When I'm wandering through my yard watering plants, I like to imagine a world where our personal data, or more precisely access to it, is treated more like mineral rights today.

Companies would be required to pay a small micro-payment royalty anytime your data was used to make them money, and you would be able to transfer/split the rights just as you could mineral rights today. This micro-payment world would supplant the current "your data is the price of admission" world we live in.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by wtetzner »

yellow_postit wrote: post #69
AndrewDucker wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is absolutely annoying as well. It's as if Facebook should show me the things I've asked it to, and show you the things you've asked it to, and not try and take mine away or give them to you.

Inferring that people that are “friends” may share the same interests doesn’t seem that unreasonable to me.

Doesn't it? I have plenty of fiends that don't have the same interests that I do. And if I think one of my friends would like something, can't I just share it with them?

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by jressey »

beingmyself2 wrote: post #94
THE_PUN_STOPS wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For more info on this strategy, see this study of Walmart's squeeze of Vlasic (pickles). https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know

How is this a Walmart problem though? This is a totally natural result of free-market competition. When two competing pizza restaurants can no longer squeeze a lower price by reducing quality or working staff harder, they move the production offshore to countries with lower costs (usually looks like slavery). If we want to stop this natural phenomenon we would need new trade agreements to provide a financial incentiv…

Human society's categorization of Capitalism as "natural" is probably the reason most responsible for keeping us back from a better world. When you do that, greed is no longer considered a vice but a virtue.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by PeanutNore »

jobu wrote: post #97
PeanutNore wrote: post #71

As a former active user on Facebook, this sort of change may succeed in bringing people like me back to the site. The minimal effort required in hitting that "share" button means that every page that organically reached my friends would end up polluting my news feed as well with crap that I wasn't interested in and got in the way of what I had originally joined FB for. If my friends aren't seeing these posts, they wo…

> my friends would end up polluting my news feed as well with crap that I wasn't interested in and got in the way of what I had originally joined FB for A few weeks ago I went back on Facebook and took the time to try cleaning it up. I went through every shared article and clicked "hide post" and "hide all posts from site". Some bullshit shares still make it into my feed, but mostly it's pictures and actual updates f…

>I went through every shared article and clicked "hide post" and "hide all posts from site".

I did try this at one point, but it ended up like whac-a-mole.

My wife is still really active on Facebook, so I still hear about important stuff that family and friends post through her. If she wasn't on there, I'd probably seek to make it so that I got some kind of daily summary of text posts and events from a specific, very small group of people.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by amyjess »

alkonaut wrote: post #30

What are even facebook "pages you follow"? Is it anything that isn't a personal fb account in the friend list? Do groups count in this category, or are groups a third category? I don't think I follow any "pages" such as those created by companies or artists (apart from personal accounts). If "pages" were basically fb's equivalent of corporate accounts, why would you want to follow them? Isn't that like signing up for…

Some of the pages I follow... not comprehensive at all.

Local stuff:

- WFAA-TV

- Texas Tribune

- Mayor Mike Rawlings

- Texas Humor

- Flashback: Dallas

- various pages for local restaurants and other businesses I enjoy

LGBT pages

- Lizzy the Lezzy

- Equality Texas

- I bet this turkey can get more fans than NOM (run by the guy who runs the Holy Bullies & Headless Monsters blog)

- The New Civil Rights Movement

- Gender Dysphoria Memes

- Trans Pride Initiative (doubles as local)

Pro-GMO, pro-vaccine pages:

- We Love GMOs and Vaccines

- Reasonable Dad

- Chow Babe

- SciBabe

- Kavin Senapathy

- Liberal without Woo

- ScienceKitten (which is turning into the next category...)

Pages that post random content that I like:

- Nerds with Vaginas

- So Bad So Good

- TV Tropes

- 90s Kids Only

Pages that post cute cat pictures:

- TONS of KITTY CATS

- Lovable Cats

- Cats in Snow

- Just Cat Things

Geek humor pages:

- Programming Jokes

- Only Linux User Can Understand It

Some pages for TV shows and games I like. Much of which I'm considering unfollowing because I'm really far behind on everything.

Tokusatsu fandom pages, including a bunch of Kamen Rider shitposting pages. Not going to enumerate them here because it's such a small niche (and I've unfollowed a couple of the shitposting pages for posting memes with slurs in them).

A number of anti-Trump and/or pro-Democrat pages. I've started unfollowing and/or unliking a lot of them though, for mental health reasons. Trump has me so upset that being constantly reminded of his actions is... not good for me, so I'm pulling back hard. The pages aren't as bad as the groups, though. The groups not only post the most upsetting content but also flooded my feed with fake news and are filled with Bill Palmer supporters who innundate you in personal attacks if you call out the fake news. Some of the ones I still follow:

- Media Matters for America

- The Recovering Conservative

- Republican Women for Progress

- Kamala Harris

Webcomics:

- Sarah's Scribbles

- C. Cassandra

- Trans Girl Next Door

I also follow my own employer and some former employers.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by jgalt212 »

beingmyself2 wrote: post #94
THE_PUN_STOPS wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For more info on this strategy, see this study of Walmart's squeeze of Vlasic (pickles). https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know

How is this a Walmart problem though? This is a totally natural result of free-market competition. When two competing pizza restaurants can no longer squeeze a lower price by reducing quality or working staff harder, they move the production offshore to countries with lower costs (usually looks like slavery). If we want to stop this natural phenomenon we would need new trade agreements to provide a financial incentiv…

It's a monopoly or concentration of power problem, not a problem with capitalism per se.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by Nokinside »

beingmyself2 wrote: post #94
THE_PUN_STOPS wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For more info on this strategy, see this study of Walmart's squeeze of Vlasic (pickles). https://www.fastcompany.com/47593/wal-mart-you-dont-know

How is this a Walmart problem though? This is a totally natural result of free-market competition. When two competing pizza restaurants can no longer squeeze a lower price by reducing quality or working staff harder, they move the production offshore to countries with lower costs (usually looks like slavery). If we want to stop this natural phenomenon we would need new trade agreements to provide a financial incentiv…

It's not Walmart's problem, it's market failure and problem for others.

Natural result of free-market competition is sometimes market failure.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by r00fus »

Frondo wrote: post #73
visarga wrote: post #20

That's what happens when we abandon protocols (RSS feeds) in favor of walled gardens.

RSS feeds aren't social. Social functionality might not be important to you, but it is very important to many, many people. (Services that graft social functionality onto RSS feeds could satisfy the same need, but then we're not talking about RSS feeds anymore...)

Arguably, using social feed for ads isn't social either. It's advertisement.

So the argument still stands. RSS was a much better mechanism to distribute updates and could have been made "social" if companies like Twitter and Facebook weren't intent on dominating that space.

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by NicoJuicy »

PeanutNore wrote: post #71

As a former active user on Facebook, this sort of change may succeed in bringing people like me back to the site. The minimal effort required in hitting that "share" button means that every page that organically reached my friends would end up polluting my news feed as well with crap that I wasn't interested in and got in the way of what I had originally joined FB for. If my friends aren't seeing these posts, they wo…

Ads are still in the feed, only smb's that don't pay ads won't

Re: Biggest drop in Facebook organic reach we have seen

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Post by lamontcg »

PeanutNore wrote: post #71

As a former active user on Facebook, this sort of change may succeed in bringing people like me back to the site. The minimal effort required in hitting that "share" button means that every page that organically reached my friends would end up polluting my news feed as well with crap that I wasn't interested in and got in the way of what I had originally joined FB for. If my friends aren't seeing these posts, they wo…

Its funny that to advertisers this is like the start of nuclear war, but to me it might mean I actually start using facebook more. I hardly ever login any more, when I do I usually have 80+ notifications. I never bother looking at my facebook feed since its just a dumpsterfire of garbage I'm not interested in. Mostly I use Messenger to talk to 2 or 3 people who are on messenger.
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