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Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by rdtsc »

davidw wrote: post #541
rdtsc wrote: post #461

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> If that's really such a waste then where are all the remote-only companies eating everybody's lunch? Maybe they are eating it? Facebook, Amazon, and Google just have a very large buffet and it would take a while for them to notice. Heck, I am taking little bytes (pun intended) every day ;-) But seriously, I believe that could be the next revolution in the economy. We had the industrial revolution, the technological…

Something like that? consume_remote_work( >) -> Do_something(Byte); consume_remot_work( >) -> do_something(Byte), consume_remote_work(Rest).

Exactly! Can even to do it bit by bit if feeling particularly cruel that day.

Re: Bay Area hammered by loss of jobs: Lack of affordable housing strangles hiring

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Post by mixmastamyk »

lisper wrote: post #399
mixmastamyk wrote: post #208

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Plenty of space, too many NIMBYs. Just heard a lady in my neighborhood in L.A. complaining about the development of a parking lot and crackhouse into a modern apartment building. Didn’t even bother to argue, sometimes the divide is too great.

And what exactly is wrong with NIMBY-ism? Not everyone likes living in dense cities. I don't see anything wrong with groups of people who prefer to live in less dense development working together to create less dense places to live. The problem is that there are (as I said) more people who prefer to live in less dense development than there is space to accommodate them all. At that point, the market takes over and de…

Was talking about East Hollywood, at the center of a 10 million plus megalopolis. If nimbys want to live in the sticks, by all means.

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Post by beatpanda »

solaxun wrote: post #551
beatpanda wrote: post #289

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> Rising levels of increasingly aggressive homeless Citation needed. The most recent data on this disagrees with you.

Ask all you want for citations, I live here and see it every day. It is definitely getting worse, I have coworkers who have been punched walking to the BART for no reason.

It literally is not. I live and work in and around SF, I have worked directly with the homeless, and I pay attention when new data comes out on this subject. You are 100% wrong about this.

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Post by beatpanda »

solaxun wrote: post #551
beatpanda wrote: post #289

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> Rising levels of increasingly aggressive homeless Citation needed. The most recent data on this disagrees with you.

Ask all you want for citations, I live here and see it every day. It is definitely getting worse, I have coworkers who have been punched walking to the BART for no reason.

"Something bad happened to my friend" =/= "Things are getting worse". I've been jumped walking down the street in SF, and also violent crime has been steadily decreasing since I moved here, just as it is now.

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Post by alistairSH »

alistairSH wrote: post #361
toasterlovin wrote: post #299

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How is it terrible for minorities?

In the US, they are (very) generally less affluent, so they are less able to absorb cost increases. This is particularly the case in areas that are rapidly gentrifying. It's a visible issue in some neighborhoods in DC. Blocks that were nearly 100% minority 15 years ago are predominantly young, white, and affluent. But, the corner church is still run by a minority pastor, with a largely minority congregation, all of w…

Down voted for answering somebody else’s question. Gee thanks.

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Post by alistairSH »

refurb wrote: post #431
rgbrenner wrote: post #411

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wouldn't it be more accurate to say poor people then? It's not just poor minorities who can't live in these areas.. poor whites, poor elderly, etc aren't living there either. And I'm sure Satya Nadella doesn't have a problem paying for a house anywhere, even though he's a minority.

Agree. It's a poor person problem, not a minority problem. The effort some people will put into pushing identity politics is astounding.

While you aren’t wrong about it being a poor problem, it would be extremely naive to believe past policies in the US haven’t contributed to some minority groups being more likely to be poor.

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Post by xster »

ghaff wrote: post #436
lisper wrote: post #399

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And what exactly is wrong with NIMBY-ism? Not everyone likes living in dense cities. I don't see anything wrong with groups of people who prefer to live in less dense development working together to create less dense places to live. The problem is that there are (as I said) more people who prefer to live in less dense development than there is space to accommodate them all. At that point, the market takes over and de…

NIMBY is such a tired criticism. I live in an exurban/rural town on the East Coast. My town pretty consistently votes against major developments. We like the apple orchards and forest land like it is. We don’t want suburban style developments that increase traffic and taxes or industrial development outside of the light industry on the north side of town near the highway. If you want to call it NIMBY go ahead. As far…

Seems like a forced dichotomy. Hong Kong is 70% green space. That's vastly higher than San Francisco at ~13% and has a more reasonable commute.

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Post by nerfhammer »

pjmorris wrote: post #472
nerfhammer wrote: post #381

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Why do you need this indirect theory when much simpler numbers like the disparity between increase of population and lack of increase in housing units are available?

What's indirect about the link between money supply and prices?

It can't explain shortages.

If the price of one thing increases relative to the price of everything else (including the price of labor, i.e., how much you get paid) that cannot directly be explained by a money supply change. A shortage being caused by something else is a much simpler explanation.

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Post by nerfhammer »

swendoog wrote: post #510
nerfhammer wrote: post #473

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Are you sure? Have you looked at population growth vs. housing growth in those areas, or how restrictive the zoning is?

Absolutely. Take a look at Sacramento's real estate / rental prices.

And the percent housing unit growth versus percent population growth is..?

And I'm pretty sure low density zoning is in effect in every city in CA.

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Post by xster »

marcell wrote: post #293

Whenever these threads come up, the NIMBY pitch forks come out. I 100% agree that we should build more housing in the Bay Area, but some perspective is helpful. The Bay Area is already one of the most densely populated regions in America: http://ecpmlangues.u-strasbg.fr/civilization/geography/maps/... And San Francisco is the 3rd most densely populated city in America, if you look at cities with over 100k people: htt…

Vancouver is more geographically restricted than San Francisco. Didn't prevent it from becoming a world renowned example of how to do city planning right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouverism
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