Italy referendums: Lombardy and Veneto 'back greater autonomy'

Post by mentallimits » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 11:18 AM UTC

matthewmacleod wrote: post #20

bl4ckm0r3 wrote: post #13

Lombardy voted to have more control regarding immigration and safety, Veneto to change their taxes and have more control in the "residuo fiscale" (what's left of taxes after all the administration costs has been covered). Neither is allowed by the concept of regional autonomy in Italy. Unfortunately, just like any other "independence" request these days, it's just a move to avoid helping poorer states and drawing a t…

Unfortunately, just like any other "independence" request these days, it's just a move to avoid helping poorer states While it’s possible that there’s some of that attitude in Catalonia, I’d point out that the other large, recent European independence movement in Scotland was emphatically not that. Brexit, comparable on some levels, is also different. In reality, the reasons for independence/sescession movements gain…

Post by zakk » Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 8:46 PM UTC

mk89 wrote: post #40

bl4ckm0r3 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Of course 2) Autonomy doesn't allow the type of independence you are looking for 3) It is very much, and for different reasons, but if your problem is redistribution of wealth on a national level, but not on a local it just means that you feel that southern Italy isn't Italy as much as Veneto is. Which isn't really a great thing in 2017 4) Rome and Naples have longer and definitely more impactful histories. we sho…

The reference to "la serenissima" is simply ludicrous, yet I see more and more often such things (in other countries as well). When people are unhappy with the present (for any possible reason, like being "just average", which is not necessarily a bad thing, among one of them), they look back to the past, to some "glorious times". However, they only look at the most successful moment[s], they never wonder how things…