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Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by eclipxe »

hedora wrote: post #104
dpweb wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Kill you"? Sorry but this is fud unless you can cite death rates. This site here lists the Volt as lowest death rate listed among small 4-dr cars. http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/driver-death-rates

All the cars I mentioned have internal combustion engines, FWIW. I wonder if the volt does so well because of limited range — I doubt typical owners clock many highway miles at speed, given that it is most useful in congested cities. Anyway, here are lists of recalls across their lines. Glancing at it reveals shocking things (the GMC canyon hood can unexpectedly open, and it has killed people, to pick one at random).…

The Volt has an internal combustion engine. The range is not limited, it has electric + gas propulsion modes.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by qbrass »

kbenson wrote: post #126
Aloha wrote: post #109

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It's made of metal, its going to corrode in some way - I don't think stainless steel has the properties you'd want in a brake rotor, either.

Well, it could be ceramic, which is what some competition cars use, and that wouldn't rust. But I doubt it.

Ceramic brakes don't work well when they're cold, so you don't want to use them on a car where the main use case is a cold panic stop.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by eclipxe »

hedora wrote: post #138
BuckRogers wrote: post #108

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1,000 miles, you're probably covered by the lemon law on that if you just want to return it. I can't say at 1,000 miles I'd not be fuming about a large up-front deposit being asked of me. Amazing. Well, I wasn't going to hand GM any money again anyway, but my slight admiration I had of their Bolt is now gone, so thank you for that. GM is pulling their usual cheap Android vendor that wants Apple prices method I suppos…

I actually could have lemon-lawed it, but once it crossed that line it didn’t have any more trouble until the warranty expired. A few months after that, the driver-side heater went out, and the radio started to fail. The fact that so many things failed makes me think there are significant systemic issues with GM vehicle platforms (and not just individual components). The more I think about the regenerative braking is…

Didn't you say your issue was caused by some non-standard parts installed by the dealer?

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by rebuilder »

greglindahl wrote: post #76
satya71 wrote: post #31

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It's a set amount money set aside to jump-start the market. The subsidies will end when the fund runs out and pure (if there is such a thing) market forces take over. Fossil fuels are subsidized permanently, however.

"pure market forces" won't take over until the negative externality of pollution is properly priced.

Market forces alone will never fully price in pollution, IMO. There's no incentive to do so without regulation, and even if there were, I don't see how price discovery would work. The environment is not a market participant, unfortunately.

Anyway, this is pretty far off the original question of why EVs are being subsidized via tax rebates in the US.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by dayaz36 »

tbodt wrote: post #114
rm999 wrote: post #2

Full article without paywall: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/chevy-bolt-meet-the-first-p...

You can bypass the WSJ paywall by tweeting a link to the article and clicking on the link from Twitter. They check the Referer header.

How about we all stop linking to wsj

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by himlion »

compsciphd wrote: post #133
bzbarsky wrote: post #115

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There is no way you owe $7500 in federal taxes on a $40k/year salary. In the worst case (single or married filing separately; in this range the numbers look the same), the standard deduction is $6350 and the single personal exemption is $4050 in 2017. So your taxable income is $29,600 assuming you aren't putting any pre-tax money into retirement savings. The 10% tax bracket for those filing statuses goes to $9325 in…

if you are buying a $35K car, I sure hope you are making at least $56K. And if not, lease it. The Bolt is leasing insanely well right now - https://leasehackr.com/blog/2017/10/16/bolt-ev-never-been-be...

That makes me sad, it would cost me €526 a month to lease it here in the Netherlands. I would take two for $138 a month :).

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by DannyBee »

erik_seaberg wrote: post #23

Hours per week charging is better than hours per day, but still only practical for people who can run heavy wiring to a private garage. I keep wishing gas station battery swaps were happening.

8 awg wire (max 50 amp charger, since 90C breakers don't exist in residential) is not that heavy or hard to work with.

4 awg wire (max 85 amp charger) would be heavy wiring for most folks.

You can also get 6 or 4 gauge soow or whatever and make a long cord from charge spot wherever you want. (But i don't remember what NEC has to say about this and am too lazy to look)

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by Aloha »

kbenson wrote: post #126
Aloha wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's made of metal, its going to corrode in some way - I don't think stainless steel has the properties you'd want in a brake rotor, either.

Well, it could be ceramic, which is what some competition cars use, and that wouldn't rust. But I doubt it.

He said 'metal' that implies not ceramic.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by bzbarsky »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #134
bzbarsky wrote: post #117

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For married-filing-jointly you need a gross income of at least $76,800 in 2017 to owe $7500 in federal taxes.

What table are you using?

https://taxfoundation.org/2017-tax-brackets table 2. To get to $7500 in tax you need to have (7500-1865)/.15 + 18650 = ~$56,000 of taxable income.

For married filing jointly, standard deduction (same page, table 4) is $12,700. Two personal exemptions (same page, same table) is $8,100. So the total is about $76,800.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Post by bzbarsky »

dasil003 wrote: post #150
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #134

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What table are you using?

According to the brackets at https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/10/19/irs... , and assuming the $13000 standard deduction, I work out $69350 to owe $7500.

Did you forget the $8k or so of personal exemptions?
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