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Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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we own one, can agree that its great! it's my wife's daily driver, and with my own trips in it, i can't even imagine getting another ICE when the time comes to get a new car for myself. the L mode itself is almost a new driving experience, controlling the car fully through just one pedal and trying to eke out every last drop of kinetic energy back into the battery, and making it a challenge to never use the brakes. i…

Yeah, but are you a driving enthusiast?

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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1,000 miles, you're probably covered by the lemon law on that if you just want to return it. I can't say at 1,000 miles I'd not be fuming about a large up-front deposit being asked of me. Amazing. Well, I wasn't going to hand GM any money again anyway, but my slight admiration I had of their Bolt is now gone, so thank you for that. GM is pulling their usual cheap Android vendor that wants Apple prices method I suppos…

Yes, I'm sorry you got screwed,, but every manufacturer has a story just like this one - I'm not really a 'GM Guy' but I don't think this is a fair brush to paint them with.

It's fair. It happened.

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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Currently the cost of this EV is about 37K dollars. That's very high even for US, right? We want more affordable ones and ones that look like glorified golf carts. Bolt looks like a good car but how much market it can get in India/Brazil is still questionable.

People in India are interested in taking up EVs if the cost is reduced thanks to the unbreathable air in the major cities.

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You can get a 1 year old Volt for about 15-17k. Best deal out there IMO.

you can buy a new volt and sell it for a profit. Managed to secure a new base 2017 volt for 21k 0 down 0% interest after all rebates & dealer intensives.

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The question I have to ask: Has anyone here gotten an EV and successfully gotten a charger setup going in an apartment garage? For where I live, I'd say we have 100-150 parking spaces, all underground. There are two spaces that have chargers, which are first-come-first-served, I don't count them. So, the idea would be to get my own charger. I already have a safe place to put it: There is a wide-but-not-deep storage u…

Apartments are tough problems to solve. Their electrical service doesn't supply enough electricity to handle the number of chargers that are going to be desired. So they have to consider something like ChargePoint, which will intelligently manage the load, but then ChargePoint asks each resident something like $50/month just to have an account (their website says "You pay a low monthly service fee plus the cost of el…

I decided to head downstairs and check things out. It is a ChargePoint charger, providing 240 V service for up to two cars. It's being fed through two separate (parallel) 240 V 60 A-rated fused disconnects (Eaton Safety Switches).

What's annoying is that, although all of the conduits in the garage are run on the ceiling, the conduit from the disconnects to the charger were clearly installed after the garage was completed: There are clear signs of a trench being cut, the flexible conduit being laid, and then the void being filled in. The charging station is on the bottom level of the garage, so they couldn't have come up from a lower level.

There's also clearly no room for expansion: The cage around the disconnects leaves no additional room, and the neighboring spaces are resident spaces. So to put in more chargers, they'd have to displace some resident spots, expand the cage, probably run new overhead conduit, and do more concrete cutting. Blargh.

One good thing, though: Both charging stations were open just now! That makes me wonder if it's possible to find out past usage times, to get an idea of how I would fit in…

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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You can get a 1 year old Volt for about 15-17k. Best deal out there IMO.

That's a pretty big drop, any idea why it goes down so much?

You need to consider the federal & state rebates + dealer rebates. Once you do that it's inline with out of pocket costs and normal car deprecation.

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I'm wary of comparing with laptops and cell phones, because a proper EV drivetrain will suffer much less degradation. Consumer electronics batteries are poorly cooled and prioritize daily capacity over long-term life, so they degrade much more quickly. I'm sure you know this, but I see a lot of people thinking their car battery will only last 2-3 years because that's how their cell phone is. For what it's worth, I ap…

I thought I read, perhaps here, that Tesla over-provisions its batteries and uses software to optimize the battery "working set" to minimize perceptible range degradation.

This sounds like the Volt. It is software limited to only use the "sweet spot" charge range of the battery, so that it never gets fully charged or discharged. This means that over time as the battery degrades, the user would still see the exact same range due to the system expanding the min/max allowed charge.

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What I never really thought is that that‘s still a pretty dumb was to subsidize any kind of purchase. It massivly advantages the rich(er). Why do it that way?

The US has a highly regressive tax system, at least for middle class earners and up. We do everything that way.

I think this helps the middle / poor class. Rich people lease expensive EV that would normally not sell. After 3 years rich person gets a new car and EV sells for peanuts. Just look at the cost of a used Nissan Leaf right now

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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I am curious how does one go about disposing of an electronic vehicle like this when the time comes - whether from an accident or just EOL'd? Is that included in this price? Or does one need to factor that into the TCO of the vehicle? Given the batteries I'm guessing this requires special attention compared to a combustion engine car.

Well right now most Teslas go to salvage by a third party and some go to Tesla recycling. I assume some number just go to normal scrapyards. It's profitable to recycle the batteries so it isn't really a problem, and isn't likely to be a problem, and there are existing paths to recycle vehicles at EOL. For instance 90% of lead-acid batteries are recycled[1]. Again though batteries are most useful simply as salvage, an…

Interesting, thanks for the detailed response and the links.

I guess I imagined recycling lithium-ion was somehow problematic compared to lead-acid batteries. There's actually company called Toxco that has been specializing in recycling lithium-ion batteries for the last 25 years. They recently received from funding from the DOE to develop infrastructure for recycling EV vehicle batteries:

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/414707/lithium-battery-re...

Re: Chevy Bolt: the First Practical, Mass-Market Electric Vehicle

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For married-filing-jointly you need a gross income of at least $76,800 in 2017 to owe $7500 in federal taxes.

What table are you using?

According to the brackets at https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2017/10/19/irs..., and assuming the $13000 standard deduction, I work out $69350 to owe $7500.
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