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Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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It's really upsetting to see men just need to say 'i see what I did was bad,I'm sorry, I'll try to fix it and be better'. But the victims, in this case are highly educated women, have to live with this painful experience the rest of their life.

I'm curious what the "highly educated" part has to do with anything. Would anything be different if they weren't?

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#53
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A real apology requires a clear statement of what you did wrong, why it was wrong, and what exactly you'll do better in the future. This apology doesn't even say what he did wrong. (He "damaged trust," "caused pain," "behaved in ways that were inappropriate.") He didn't admit that he sexually harassed anyone, say nothing of sexual assault. Without a clear admission of what he did, I have no idea if he knows why it wa…

On the list of public apologies, I give him a B+. he could have done better and he is not going to make everyone happy with his effort. It looks written by him. It looks sincere. It looks honest. Yeah, a good apology should be several pages long but this was pretty good and well above some of the others we've seen. 'I am sorry that you felt abused and that your friends encouraged you to humiliate yourself in public..…

You're giving him a B+ for an apology that doesn't even state what he did?

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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post #53
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the list of public apologies, I give him a B+. he could have done better and he is not going to make everyone happy with his effort. It looks written by him. It looks sincere. It looks honest. Yeah, a good apology should be several pages long but this was pretty good and well above some of the others we've seen. 'I am sorry that you felt abused and that your friends encouraged you to humiliate yourself in public..…

You're giving him a B+ for an apology that doesn't even state what he did?

Yes, because I'm comparing it with the apologies we usually see.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#55

He's not even a little sorry. He's apologized like 5 times for this stuff: https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/20/robert-scoble-has-allegedl...

A real apology requires a clear statement of what you did wrong, why it was wrong, and what exactly you'll do better in the future. This apology doesn't even say what he did wrong. (He "damaged trust," "caused pain," "behaved in ways that were inappropriate.") He didn't admit that he sexually harassed anyone, say nothing of sexual assault. Without a clear admission of what he did, I have no idea if he knows why it wa…

> A real apology requires a clear statement of what you did wrong, why it was wrong, and what exactly you'll do better in the future.

He might have apologized directly to his alleged victims we don't know that. I don't think he should admit anything to anyone else, but to his alleged victims on a personal level.

If I read this forum, it sounds like nobody has never done anything wrong, behaved inappropriately in anyway, ever. I don't believe it one second, harassment(or even assault) isn't just sexual, it can manifest through other sorts of psychological violence at work for instance, and nobody is ever called out for it.

I'm not talking about leniency or understanding, something despicable happened and anybody can judge, but it should not be about one name or one guy everybody can scapegoat to mask their own shortcomings and wrongdoings, in a way to expiate them, as it happens way too often when things like that get public.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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post #54
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're giving him a B+ for an apology that doesn't even state what he did?

Yes, because I'm comparing it with the apologies we usually see.

That's a hell of a curve he gets to take advantage of, but also, even Harvey Weinstein did better than this.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#57
Is there anything better than this kind of drama? Obviously I feel sorry for those hurt, and this sort of behavior is awful, but as an onlooker I live for these days. Nothing more entertaining than all the drama in the wake of something like this. Hope no one takes this as an endorsement of the behavior or support of being a bad person. Maybe you can look at this comment as directed at other people like me, with less involvement in this world, and maybe that will make it easy for you to ignore if you’re involved in this drama! Sorry for the monologue I just don’t like getting downvoted

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#58
post #43

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> Amends are really hard to do. I'd just once love to see one of these abusers make some kind of serious penance. I mean something that costs more than a few words written on a page. Donating x% of their wealth to organizations of the victim's choosing (where x is a fraction large enough to be uncomfortable), entering some kind of monastic or hermetic lifestyle for more than a day or two, committing to X hours of ano…

Amends and penance are not the same thing. Amends are about reparations for the victim. Penance is about suffering for the perpetrator. These things are mostly not related.

I was talking about penance, and I also used the word penance, so we're good, right? The quoted section is what made me think about this aspect of the issue.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

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post #56
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because I'm comparing it with the apologies we usually see.

That's a hell of a curve he gets to take advantage of, but also, even Harvey Weinstein did better than this.

I did t read his, so have graded it yet.

Re: Robert Scoble: “I apologize.”

#60

He's not even a little sorry. He's apologized like 5 times for this stuff: https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/20/robert-scoble-has-allegedl...

A real apology requires a clear statement of what you did wrong, why it was wrong, and what exactly you'll do better in the future. This apology doesn't even say what he did wrong. (He "damaged trust," "caused pain," "behaved in ways that were inappropriate.") He didn't admit that he sexually harassed anyone, say nothing of sexual assault. Without a clear admission of what he did, I have no idea if he knows why it wa…

Could it be to avoid legal issues? Which would only make the apology worse.
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