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Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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I don't know about that. Since we're going on anecdotal evidence, out of my 25 or so friends who play videogames, I'm the only one who programs. An analog to your statement would be: "I like movies" often translates into "I want to work in the film industry"

How many programmers you know like video games?

At my old job the entire department, at my current place of employment 50% or better. so out of 30 professional programmers that I have worked with about 20.

Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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"I like video games" often translates to "I want to work in the video game industry" often translates to "I'll learn how to program." More generally, however, enthusiasm for video games makes kids keenly aware of the hardware that makes it possible. (Even at the age of ten, kids will get into console wars citing which has the faster processor, etc.) Having that technical background from an early age, however rudiment…

It can be put as an dis-advantage. What girls are doing when men are wasting 100s of hours playing video games. Doesn't that count as positive for girls.

Not if it is equally inane. Gossiping and chasing fashion trends aren't much better.

Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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"I like video games" often translates to "I want to work in the video game industry" often translates to "I'll learn how to program." More generally, however, enthusiasm for video games makes kids keenly aware of the hardware that makes it possible. (Even at the age of ten, kids will get into console wars citing which has the faster processor, etc.) Having that technical background from an early age, however rudiment…

It can be put as an dis-advantage. What girls are doing when men are wasting 100s of hours playing video games. Doesn't that count as positive for girls.

Funny you should say that, the only people I know that spend 100's of hours gaming are women.

Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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I seriously doubt that is the reason - on the contrary, I constantly hear that people would like more male teachers. However, I don't think the salary is sufficient to feed a family. Not sure if that is the main reason, but it might be a factor in men's decisions.

There's a massive witchhunt against pedophiles that keeps a lot of men out of most occupations dealing with children.

I don't think that is as much of a problem here in Germany, so I doubt it is the major deterrent. Though in general being a teacher seems rather risky to me. Certainly if pupils or parents want to screw up your life, they have all the possibilities to do so.

Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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There's a massive witchhunt against pedophiles that keeps a lot of men out of most occupations dealing with children.

I don't think that is as much of a problem here in Germany, so I doubt it is the major deterrent. Though in general being a teacher seems rather risky to me. Certainly if pupils or parents want to screw up your life, they have all the possibilities to do so.

Ah, my comment was only meant to include North America; I am not at all sure whether elementary education in other places has equal amounts of gender-iniquity.

Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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The problem I have with that logic is, why wouldn't men decide the same thing? The author's reasoning seems to be 1. young men strive to achieve high status among their peer group 2. men tend to lack perspective and are unable to step back and ask the question "is this peer group worth impressing?" but I ask, why? The article seems to be rejecting the idea that men are naturally better than women at programming (and…

> men are naturally better than women at programming (and some other ideas) and embracing the idea that women are naturally better than men at finding a suitable career. If it's plausible enough that millions of young women can have their career and life choices distorted away from STEM by a little sexism (a distortion in the dozens or scores of percents), then why isn't it even more plausible that millions of young…

It's not that they're not equally plausible; it's that they're not equally solvable. We can "fix" sexism (and thus cause the "right" number of women to go into STEM); we can't "fix" Autism-linked chromosomes in people who have already been born.

Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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post #79

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The problem I have with that logic is, why wouldn't men decide the same thing? The author's reasoning seems to be 1. young men strive to achieve high status among their peer group 2. men tend to lack perspective and are unable to step back and ask the question "is this peer group worth impressing?" but I ask, why? The article seems to be rejecting the idea that men are naturally better than women at programming (and…

> men are naturally better than women at programming (and some other ideas) and embracing the idea that women are naturally better than men at finding a suitable career. If it's plausible enough that millions of young women can have their career and life choices distorted away from STEM by a little sexism (a distortion in the dozens or scores of percents), then why isn't it even more plausible that millions of young…

Or why not say "men are naturally more attracted than women to programming", and human beings have a decent track record of becoming skilled at what they're interested in. There's a big difference between not being interested in doing something and not being as capable at doing something.

Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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post #94

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I don't think that is as much of a problem here in Germany, so I doubt it is the major deterrent. Though in general being a teacher seems rather risky to me. Certainly if pupils or parents want to screw up your life, they have all the possibilities to do so.

Ah, my comment was only meant to include North America; I am not at all sure whether elementary education in other places has equal amounts of gender-iniquity.

I have heard the same complaint about almost all teachers being women here in Germany (at elementary school level). And of course we worry about paedophiles, I just don't think it has reached witch hunt proportions yet.

Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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If you take a look at @fringley's Twitter page, there's a comment from Diana Clarke, employee of FreshBooks. It says,

  I wonder if Dr. Browne, Dr. Hutt, Dr. Ruiz still want to give you a reference.
  Don't worry, I'll ask for you (@fringley).
Now that is low. Women who are able to compete on merit, not backstabbing or special treatment, should be disgusted as well.

Also, more proof that this is a forbidden topic. I can discuss wars, religion, and economic policy until blue in the face. But say anything about gender policies and face the consequences.

Re: Why is computer science a sausage fest?

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You're completely right, of course—but I have to point out that elementary education is a "vagina fest", and not even a self-selected one. There is definite discrimination preventing men from entering the field—mostly by parents who don't want men around their kids.

I seriously doubt that is the reason - on the contrary, I constantly hear that people would like more male teachers. However, I don't think the salary is sufficient to feed a family. Not sure if that is the main reason, but it might be a factor in men's decisions.

I went to get a elementary teacher degree. I dropped out after a year and a hald. Between being the only guy in a class of girls (it isn't as much fun as it looks) and having to put up with their sh (you think men are bad about dick jokes? try being around only women for the entire day) there is also discrimination from teachers (i had to prove myself every time, and was assumed to be riding on the work of the rest of my group on group assignments), parents were also quite suspicious of me. Though, the kids were great and didn't give a rats ass if I had a penis or a vagina.
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