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This seems to be a pretty common attitude amongst a lot of people in their late twenties and early thirties I socialise with (who should probably be well into parenthood). Common question seems to be, "Why bring a child into a world facing climate change, potential nuclear war and a lack of prosperity or opportunities for personal growth". Adopting is probably a better option ;)
On the other hand, maybe let your kids decide if life is worth living. Seems wrong to make that decision for them...
Just own the damn robots
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#272This is a pretty crappy read. Lacks real data and also unwillingness to look outside of the tech bubble, seriously what serious AI work is apple or Netflix doing? Its as if the author started with the conclusion and wrote up whole thing to justify it. For large parts most of the tech people at Google/FB are involved in getting more people click and buys ads. And Amazon are involved in getting people to buy more stuff and reduce the costs of handling and shipping them. So, if the logical conclusion that many visionaries in these thread are saying is true that 90% will be useless then these companies will have nobody to serve and will collapse before we reach that point anyways. Secondly, let's believe this is true then if an economic system which does not benefit majority deserves to be overthrown by any means even violent and rise of trump is a step in right direction. Third, if the tech companies are so smart then how were they caught with their pants down when a foreign power used their own infrastructure and technology to help elect a leader that they ostensibly opposed. Finally, the fundamental reason for the current stock boom is simply liquidity and lack of asset classes outside of stocks which give meaningful growth. This is not just limited to fang or usa but seen in many stock markets. I actively invest and trade in India where the markets are hitting new highs and the only reason right now for this is that in most places it is very hard to get a good return plus there is excess institutional & industrial capital since they are not optimistic of the growth and thus not investing in augmenting capacities or production. So investing in stock market seems the only alternative. One of the reasons for this liquidity is central banks around the world have been pumping money. This will end when the excess liquidity is pulled out from the global financial system.
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#273Earlier quoted context omitted.
This seems to be a pretty common attitude amongst a lot of people in their late twenties and early thirties I socialise with (who should probably be well into parenthood). Common question seems to be, "Why bring a child into a world facing climate change, potential nuclear war and a lack of prosperity or opportunities for personal growth". Adopting is probably a better option ;)
On the other hand, maybe let your kids decide if life is worth living. Seems wrong to make that decision for them...
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#274Reads like this are slowly convincing me not to buy into the world of mortgages and debt and to just live the rest of my life paying for everything in cash. I tried to buy a house last year with my wife but the market exploded where I live and suddenly houses were 40% more expensive from last year. So we still rent, which makes me feel incomplete. Like I'm kind of failing my duty of bringing the Canadian Dream to my…
Wow that's some jump. It's the opposite for me in a way, I'm renting and it's killing me to see all that "wasted". A mortgage would cost far less than what rent is, and by paying it off I see that as a type of "investment" i.e. at least I'll four walls around me and my family.
I live in the midwest, where housing is supposed to be cheap, and the renting v. buying equation heavily favors renting when factoring in commute times. Since I'm a working professional, I'm limited to living in "working professional" neighborhoods if I want to live The total savings of renting for me is solidly $12,000+ a year, in addition to saved commuting time.
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#275This “theory” for equities growth is a joke. There is a very simple reason for it and plenty of non-tech baskets show the same 2 yr (or longer) pattern. Simply put, cash and cash equivalents are generating historically low returns. So you put your money in equity. (And if you are a retiree you put it in stocks with dividends. Look at the growth in dividend-generating stocks like energy, mining and metals and it makes…
> we have a year or two left in the current [cycle] Are you saying that we have a year or two until we see a pick up in productivity (driving real growth and GDP), which will shift investment out of equities and into? Cash and cash equivalents? Or are you saying that we have a year or two until we see a recession (decline in GNP), triggered by a flight from the equity markets?
I'm not so sure it'll happen personally. The Fed seems to be raising interest rates before inflation has a chance to increase, but we'll see.
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I don't see bartenders being replaced en masse. It's as much about social interaction as it is about pouring a drink, particularly for your local hangout.
and the average bar /pub is such a chaotic and disorderly place a robot that could replace a human is probably not going to happen. E.g. design me a robot that can work in say 90% or bars and pubs including climbing down the ladder to the cellar and putting on a new barrel and that's not to count the dealing with unruly customers.
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#277Reads like this are slowly convincing me not to buy into the world of mortgages and debt and to just live the rest of my life paying for everything in cash. I tried to buy a house last year with my wife but the market exploded where I live and suddenly houses were 40% more expensive from last year. So we still rent, which makes me feel incomplete. Like I'm kind of failing my duty of bringing the Canadian Dream to my…
>seeing 45% of my before tax income going into savings feels amazingly liberating.
By "savings" I hope you mean an ETF or mutual fund. If you do that you should stop calling it "3 years of unemployment" and start calling it "early retirement".
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#278Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wow that's some jump. It's the opposite for me in a way, I'm renting and it's killing me to see all that "wasted". A mortgage would cost far less than what rent is, and by paying it off I see that as a type of "investment" i.e. at least I'll four walls around me and my family.
Not everyone lives in an area where a 30y mortgage is cheaper than rent. Even those that claim to may not have the math right (not accounting for maintenance, taxes, increases in utilities). I live in the midwest, where housing is supposed to be cheap, and the renting v. buying equation heavily favors renting when factoring in commute times. Since I'm a working professional, I'm limited to living in "working professi…
They may be looking at instantaneous rent prices, not accounting for rental increases over 30 years (while the mortgage will remain relatively flatlined, modulo ups and downs in interest).
When I started my mortgage in 2010, it was a bit more expensive than renting in my area. Not so any more. Comparable places now rent for hundreds of dollars more per month than what I pay in total.
Mortgages have some flexibilities in them. What landlord offers "skip a payment"? Haha.
One little thing that isn't a matter of all that much money is that renters often live without home insurance, quite unnecessarily. Even if you live in someone's home which has homeowner insurance, the policy doesn't cover the personal belongings of renters; if the place is destroyed, you lose everything in it with no compensation, unless you have your own policy. It costs like a couple hundred bucks a year.
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#279Have fun trying to own the robots after we've allowed proprietary licenses and leasing to takeover anything with a CPU attached. Ownership is important, which is why copyleft is important, and its time to recognize how integral the four freedoms are to the future I think most of us want.
He wasn't talking about actually, physically, owning the robots. He was talking about owning stocks in the companies that make the robots. So that as they get wealthier, so do you.
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#280Reads like this are slowly convincing me not to buy into the world of mortgages and debt and to just live the rest of my life paying for everything in cash. I tried to buy a house last year with my wife but the market exploded where I live and suddenly houses were 40% more expensive from last year. So we still rent, which makes me feel incomplete. Like I'm kind of failing my duty of bringing the Canadian Dream to my…
Don't feel bad about renting. In german real estate is called "Immobilien". And it is, I saw an investor somewhere put down some actual math and buying a house tends to be a bad investment compared to what could have been done, largely because of illiquidity of it. >seeing 45% of my before tax income going into savings feels amazingly liberating. By "savings" I hope you mean an ETF or mutual fund. If you do that you…
Kidding. A combination of TFSA max out, RRSP max out, rolling GIC, RESP.
I doubt I'm min-maxing my savings ideally, but I'm generally interested in infinitesimal risk solutions I don't have to think about more than once a quarter or so.
I've only been in the workforce for 4 years. Married for 1. Was planning on a house so I valued liquidity. But you're right, I need to do the mature, responsible thing and actually do some financial planning. I just really hate money and want to not think about it.