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Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Re: Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Post by KGIII »

lloyd-christmas wrote: post #190
lovich wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but is that a significant amount of people who would be going to boot camps for engineering? The type of people who have the personality to get and succeed at consulting jobs seem to overlap heavily with the type of people who can learn on their own

You're saying people who actively sought out continuing education and were willing to do a career transition are people who aren't willing to learn on their own? That's just silly.

I think they are saying the opposite.

Some of the stats in the thread seem to indicate that a not insignificant minority do self employ or consult.

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Post by wallace_f »

KGIII wrote: post #189
wallace_f wrote: post #179

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If that is the case, then it equally applies to university students. In both cases you study the material and are tested on it. There is nothing magical about paying to study inside a university.

They have more tests that are administered and you glossed over them covering more than is on the tests you mentioned.

It sounds like you're on board with the testing idea, but just think the tests should be more/longer.

Re: Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Post by KGIII »

wallace_f wrote: post #192
KGIII wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have more tests that are administered and you glossed over them covering more than is on the tests you mentioned.

It sounds like you're on board with the testing idea, but just think the tests should be more/longer.

And more intermittent. They cover things in medical school that are important (and tested for in class) that don't make their way to the final examination. Those are things a medical doctor should know.

There are also labs that cover things that aren't going to be on the tests. There are practical examinations along the way. It's a whole big process and fairly standardized for a reason. It's not like many other disciplines. I got to witness my daughter go through it.

As much as love her and think she's the most brilliant person ever, she needed the full educational experience and would benefit from more. In fact, many medical doctors keep adding to their education.

Re: Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Post by milliondollar »

What are best options for low cost self study version of these bootcamps? I'm basically retired at 44, live outside of a city, and have time and motivation but need serious instruction. I don't need the employment finding part of this - but really like the structured "real world" focused curriculum vs some of the more academic offerings I've seen online.

Re: Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Post by lovich »

KGIII wrote: post #191
lloyd-christmas wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're saying people who actively sought out continuing education and were willing to do a career transition are people who aren't willing to learn on their own? That's just silly.

I think they are saying the opposite. Some of the stats in the thread seem to indicate that a not insignificant minority do self employ or consult.

I was saying the opposite.

Re: Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Post by karn09 »

pbecotte wrote: post #181
brudgers wrote: post #114

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A general practice of many coding bootcamps is making admissions selections in part based on the likelihood of career (as opposed to academic) success. There is a degree of "would I like to have a beer with this person" in the application process which is absent from traditional academic institutions like 'Old State U.' One of the operating models of bootcamps is as a recruiter for tech companies. In addition to tuit…

I have hired or at least interviewed directly from several bootcamps in NYC, including the Flatiron school, and was never asked to pay a referral or acquisition fee.

Fullstack Academy has a fee for hiring grads, but only if the company attended hiring day and the offer was a result of that attendance.

Re: Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Post by jinfiesto »

fredleblanc wrote: post #13
jefftk wrote: post #6

"Between January and June 2017, Flatiron claimed that 98.5% of its students received employment less than 180 days after graduation and that Flatiron graduates had an average salary of $74,447. However, Flatiron did not disclose clearly and conspicuously that the 98.5% employment rate included not only full time salaried employees but also apprentices, contract employees and self-employed freelance workers, some who…

Having done some work for a school that's jumped through these hoops, I believe that it's a different definition of "approved." It's not "choose one of these curricula we made up and do that," it's "show us your complete curriculum and defend how this makes a complete program."

I've also done work for a for profit school. The issue with approval (as far as I can see) is that it focuses on easily checkable items like "do you have lesson plans" and less on important intangibles like "does your curriculum make any sense."

Re: Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Post by eli »

jinfiesto wrote: post #197
fredleblanc wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having done some work for a school that's jumped through these hoops, I believe that it's a different definition of "approved." It's not "choose one of these curricula we made up and do that," it's "show us your complete curriculum and defend how this makes a complete program."

I've also done work for a for profit school. The issue with approval (as far as I can see) is that it focuses on easily checkable items like "do you have lesson plans" and less on important intangibles like "does your curriculum make any sense."

Still seems like that'd be better than nothing.

Re: Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Post by lloyd-christmas »

lovich wrote: post #195
KGIII wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think they are saying the opposite. Some of the stats in the thread seem to indicate that a not insignificant minority do self employ or consult.

I was saying the opposite.

Sorry, I completely misinterpreted that as "taking coursework" is the opposite of "independent learning"

Re: Flatiron School settles for operating without license, employment/salary claims

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Post by ryancouto »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #157
bdcravens wrote: post #156

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Many coding schools also hire graduates as teaching assistants.

At the bootcamp I went to, this was below "get a job at Google" and above "get a job at a generic start-up" in desirability. It both paid well and providing excellent networking opportunities.

yep ^ it also provided a way to work on your algo/interview questions for a few more months without having to worry about money. the job hunt can take upwards of 3 or 4 months, and it's a lot easier to get a good job if you already have an income.
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