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Introducing Surface Book 2

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Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Anyone notice that the pic of the surface book with the display rotated around (like you would if you were switching to tablet mode) doesn't actually follow how it would rotate in real life? The keyboard should be on the bottom, not the top...

I believe that you don't rotate the screen around while it's attached, but you pull it off, flip it around and reattach it...

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This is a good example of how Microsoft often does marketing poorly. The text reads like a script for an in-person product launch. On the page it doesn't even make sense "When you think about Microsoft and you hear our mission – to empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more – it’s powerful." What? And then after all of that, you click through to the store and there's no pricing informat…

As a former advertising executive, I can tell you what the problem is here. The writer and his boss who approved the copy aren't addressing the customer, they're addressing the boss's boss. In a dysfunctional organization like Microsoft, communicating up rather than out is how you get promoted. It's a rare Microsoft employee who moves up the ladder by thinking about the customer.

Incredibly accurate.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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This is a good example of how Microsoft often does marketing poorly. The text reads like a script for an in-person product launch. On the page it doesn't even make sense "When you think about Microsoft and you hear our mission – to empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more – it’s powerful." What? And then after all of that, you click through to the store and there's no pricing informat…

Just the quality of the writing is poor overall. It's not exactly grammatically incorrect, just seems like it was done because someone asked them to do it and not because they were really excited about the product.

At one point, the blog entry says: "In product making, we believe every detail matters. ". Those of the type of things Steve Jobs would never let Apple push out as PR.

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So many negative comments just because it's Microsoft. If you don't like the OS, obviously this machine is not for you. Personally I think it looks nice, but I have a Surface Pro 2 that works just perfectly fine and I love it. The hardware on it is still good and I don't see any reason to upgrade.

I have the original Surface Book. I like it. I used to use Macs.

Microsoft won't pay astroturfers to lurk in hacker news. Too bad.

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Is this for software development (assuming yes since we're on HN)? I'm currently in the process of making this choice. Looking at Lenovo T470p/Dell XPS 13/15. If I'm doing linux development is it worth even thinking about the surface laptop?

I’ve had an XPS 15 for about a year and I love it. Not least because it supports 2 4K monitors (60fps over USB-C, 30FPS over HDMI), but is also a solid laptop in its own right. Also, the model I have has 32GB of RAM. The only downside is the battery life, I get about 2 hours.

It's worth noting the Dell Precision 5520, which uses the same chassis as the XPS 15. It comes in a few different configurations that aren't available in the XPS. Mine is the last-gen 5510 (same chassis but with an i7-6820HQ), and I was able to get a 1080p screen (for battery life and to avoid scaling issues) and 32gb of RAM only in the Precision, not the XPS.

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If you are a developer who needs lots of machine power. there are few reasons not to work in the cloud, these days.

1) Latency 2) Developing custom hardware that needs to be attached to dev box 3) No rage when the wifi at the airport sucks 4) etc Even though you don't need lots of power, there's plenty of solid and valid reasons why others might.

Exactly: a few reasons.

Moreover

1. latency is low enough that people are playing triple AAA video games on AWS for a $1/hr.

https://lg.io/2015/07/05/revised-and-much-faster-run-your-ow...

2. Sure, that's a good reason. It had better be spewing out lots of data, though, or again, you might as well process in the cloud.

3. Being able to access your workstation via airport wifi at all is actually a benefit in this case, unless you intend to wheel it around like a suitcase.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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This is a good example of how Microsoft often does marketing poorly. The text reads like a script for an in-person product launch. On the page it doesn't even make sense "When you think about Microsoft and you hear our mission – to empower every person and every organization on the planet to achieve more – it’s powerful." What? And then after all of that, you click through to the store and there's no pricing informat…

Yeah it's really frustrating. * this page is an ad copy with very little of interest * the store page ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/surface-book-2/8MCPZ... ) has no date, no price and only hints at specs (you can pick a model but have no idea that e.g. the 13.5" i5 is iGP and the i7 is dGPU) * https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-book... has the actual stuff you want, with a detailed sp…

I feel like the surface book marketing has been horrible like this for a while. I recently had someone ask me if they could get a Surface Book, so I tried researching it. There was no way to tell that there were multiple models, just one labelled "Surface Book with Performance Base." What the fuck is a performance base? Is this the second revision of the Surface Book? They never mentioned that the first revision was discontinued either. I had to call the Microsoft store to figure all this crap out.

Why would I be surprised though, their entire website is a giant clusterfuck and always has been.

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for some reaon Chinese spyware tastes appaling

(1) Superfish isn't a Chinese company -- it was founded in Tel Aviv and moved to Palo Alto; (2) Superfish wasn't installed on ThinkPads; (3) it wasn't on Lenovo laptops for long: they uninstalled it and apologised.

The fact that they did it in the first place is enough for most people. An apology hardly covers the potential for damage. All in the name of some bundled shitware to make them a few extra bucks. Totally inexcusable, and I don't see why people jump in to defend them at all.

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So many negative comments just because it's Microsoft. If you don't like the OS, obviously this machine is not for you. Personally I think it looks nice, but I have a Surface Pro 2 that works just perfectly fine and I love it. The hardware on it is still good and I don't see any reason to upgrade.

I think that in itself speaks to the quality of the Surface device line... I myself have the first Surface Book, and I will likely upgrade to the 2 at some point, but not because my current device doesn't serve me well... I'm glad this thing is still working like new and I don't have huge urges to upgrade because I suddenly feel inferior, like some other tech companies try to pull... EDIT: Don't work for MS, just a h…

> I'm glad this thing is still working like new and I don't have huge urges to upgrade because I suddenly feel inferior, like some other tech companies try to pull...

I don't get this. Your feelings of inferiority are your own feelings, not the fault of a tech company's marketing agency or some other external agent.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Having recently used a XPS 13, original Surface Book, Surface laptop, Surface Pro, and Lenovo T560, the Surface laptop is the clear winner for me. Definitely worth a look if you're looking for good Windows hardware, and don't need the discrete graphics capability of the Surface Book.

Is this for software development (assuming yes since we're on HN)? I'm currently in the process of making this choice. Looking at Lenovo T470p/Dell XPS 13/15. If I'm doing linux development is it worth even thinking about the surface laptop?

If you're doing work on Linux, get a laptop that is supported with Linux on it. The first sign of problems on your Surface, you'll have to nuke it, put Windows on it, see if it's still broken, reproduce the issue on Windows, then take it into a store.

Dell sells Linux certified models, the XPSs even. Maybe it's called the "Developer Edition" or something. You can always go with System 76 or Librem or something along those lines too.

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