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Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by WalterSear »

snuxoll wrote: post #172
seanalltogether wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oddly enough I think mac and windows switched professional users somehow. I don't know a single developer on a windows machine, however most people I know working in 3d, digital illustration or video work all use windows machines now.

Apple lost a lot of the creative market with the trashcan Mac Pro. If I was doing heavy video editing or other work that demanded a high-end workstation I would immediately look at HP or Dell because I don't want to buy hardware that's obsolete out of the gate with no internal expansion support, or at least no STANDARD internal expansion support (proprietary GPU and SSD connections are stupid, why do you do this Appl…

If you are a developer who needs lots of machine power. there are few reasons not to work in the cloud, these days.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by Fnoord »

staticelf wrote: post #94

So many negative comments just because it's Microsoft. If you don't like the OS, obviously this machine is not for you. Personally I think it looks nice, but I have a Surface Pro 2 that works just perfectly fine and I love it. The hardware on it is still good and I don't see any reason to upgrade.

If you don't like the OS, can you not slap Linux on it? I found this thread on that subject [1] not sure how feasible it is.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/3qcqha/ubuntu...

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by alphonsegaston »

binarycrusader wrote: post #134
masklinn wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not exactly surprising, it's a successor to the SB1 and competitor with the rMBP.

Indeed, with a 3:2 aspect ratio touch screen and WACOM-level stylus input (via ntrig).

Most creative professionals would disagree that ntrig is anywhere near parity. I work in the field and everyone uses Wacoms of some sort.

There was initial excitement when the 1st generation launched with actual Wacom technology, as a lot of us do work in Windows, but it quickly fizzled when Microsoft cheaped out and went with less performant ntrig digitizers.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by TurboHaskal »

ksec wrote: post #83
Jaqua wrote: post #21

Looks like a proper MacBook Pro replacement HW wise, but the OS is not one I would use for work.. =/ So attached to OSX for the past 6 years and cannot see me using a windows OS for work , but at home only for gaming. The new MacBook Pro has many flaws. Not sure how this compares in real use for it?

Gaming, the world has changed and this generation of Apple users has way more Gamers then what they had before. Why do they continue to ignore Gamers on the Mac Platform.

I hope that in about two years the whole eGPU situation is sorted out so that I can have a MacBook Pro with a good CPU as my only computer.

Until then, maintaining a desktop gaming PC and buying the base MacBook Pro model every now and then seems to be more cost effective.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by leesalminen »

itodd wrote: post #77
Jaqua wrote: post #21

Looks like a proper MacBook Pro replacement HW wise, but the OS is not one I would use for work.. =/ So attached to OSX for the past 6 years and cannot see me using a windows OS for work , but at home only for gaming. The new MacBook Pro has many flaws. Not sure how this compares in real use for it?

I recently left my macbook with the TSA after a frantic sprint through security. I was stuck with a windows 7 PC for the week. Armed with Putty and a browser, I only missed the touchpad of my macbook. I do most of my work in Jupyter and in vim. It's rather liberating to realize you are not tied to one ecosystem. My point is I thought I would never be productive without my mac but that simply wasn't true. I suppose I…

I’m honestly pretty amazed they didn’t relieve you of your laptop. Lots of stories of thieves in blue shirts.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/top-20-airports-tsa-theft/stor...

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by Bedon292 »

andr wrote: post #36

Any experiences with dual booting in to Linux on the Surface Book? I can imagine some things, like detaching not working optimally, but does it work at all?

I am not sure how well it would work to even get Linux on it. I thought they had a fairly locked down boot loader. And no way there is a good driver for the screen release.

On the other hand, I have never even contemplated dual booting it because WSL does everything I need Linux for. It is actually pretty good.

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by mamon »

trothamel wrote: post #12

A bit of headline fail there: "Introducing Surface Book 2, the most powerful Surface Book ever" Out of the two of them so far?

If they said "Most powerful LAPTOP ever" that could bring some legal issues on them.

In EU there's a law that forbids using such an unsubstantiated/unverifiable/subjective claim in the advertisements.

EDIT: Recalled one more detail: If you use a claim like that in the commercial then EU regulatory institutions can demand an actual peer reviewed research paper backing it up :)

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Post by Viper007Bond »

seanalltogether wrote: post #158
pier25 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried to switch to Windows for work (for gaming it's the obvious choice) but I just couldn't. Windows 10 is IMO the best Windows ever, but I was surprised that the ecosystem was really poor compared to macOS. Most of the software you find online are outdated win32 apps with scaling problems. Even modern software from major companies still has scaling problems such as Adobe CC or even the mighty Photoshop. I also di…

Oddly enough I think mac and windows switched professional users somehow. I don't know a single developer on a windows machine, however most people I know working in 3d, digital illustration or video work all use windows machines now.

Windows Subsystem for Linux has been huge however. I used to have to run Vagrant or something on Windows to build stuff but WSL makes life super easy as a developer on Windows. I'm still one of the handful of people at a 600 person company though that runs Windows. :/

Re: Introducing Surface Book 2

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

jozzz wrote: post #186
TYPE_FASTER wrote: post #117

Having recently used a XPS 13, original Surface Book, Surface laptop, Surface Pro, and Lenovo T560, the Surface laptop is the clear winner for me. Definitely worth a look if you're looking for good Windows hardware, and don't need the discrete graphics capability of the Surface Book.

Is this for software development (assuming yes since we're on HN)? I'm currently in the process of making this choice. Looking at Lenovo T470p/Dell XPS 13/15. If I'm doing linux development is it worth even thinking about the surface laptop?

Yes, using Visual Studio 2017. I haven't tried a Surface device with Linux yet.
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