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Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by bmcfeeley »

leereeves wrote: post #308
HillaryBriss wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you honestly believe that the parent meant that nobody drives drunk anymore? yep. that was my honest interpretation of the parent comment.

Seems like a reasonable interpretation of: > In LA, driving drunk was just the way of life, and it was a real problem. Now, I don't know anyone who prefers driving over ridesharing given the option. anyone

That's not how words work.

"I don't know everyone who is Japanese" does not mean every person who exists is Japanese.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by FullMtlAlcoholc »

dragonwriter wrote: post #317
curun1r wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My interpretation of his comment was that drunk driving was basically required if you wanted to go out and drink. Public transportation in LA didn't work and cabs were too expensive for people who wanted to go out more than once a month. So well-intentioned people still drove drunk because the alternative was forgoing a social life. Now, with ride sharing, people that care can avoid drunk driving. But some people wil…

> My interpretation of his comment was that drunk driving was basically required if you wanted to go out and drink. That's a reasonable interpretation, though even so interpreted it's quite wrong. You can go out and drink and never be legally drunk, much less not drive drunk. “Go out and drink” is quite different from “go out and drink heavily and then drive immediately”.

>You can go out and drink and never be legally drunk, much less not drive drunk.

That there is a legal threshold (In California anyway) for being drunk while driving is a common misconception. When you get a DUI, two charges are filed against you. One by the DMV and another reviewed by a criminal judge. If there is an accident, you are found at fault, and you have a ~. 06 BAC, the judge/DA will most likely charge you with a DUI and offer a plea where you get all the penalties of a DUI but may have it officially recorded as a wet reckless. The police also have latitude in what determines being intoxicated. Even if you are well under the legal limit, they can often say that you displayed symptoms of being under the influence of other drugs based on your behavior, your car reeked of marijuana, etc.

Not to sound like a PSA, but buzzed driving is impaired driving, and any level of impairment increases the likelihood of an accident for an activity that humans aren't great at performing even when completely sober.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by webosdude »

The study claims that "After using ride-hailing, the average net change in transit use is a 6% reduction among Americans in major cities." Where is the supporting data or facts to back those claims? Being located in Bay Area I know for a fact that BART ridership is down this year due to variety of reasons. May be Ride-sharing companies is one of the reason. But I don't see specific data from different cities mentioned in the study. http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/02/23/bart-ridership-contin...

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by kurthr »

djrogers wrote: post #312
akgerber wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A significant component of this is that your (usually free) parking on both ends of the trip is subsidized by its requirement in local zoning, which increases general costs and subsidizes driving (parking spaces often cost $10,000+ apiece to build, excluding any land cost). The Highway Trust Fund, which pays for interstates, has also been bailed out by general federal funds in recent years, and local roads are usuall…

> parking spaces often cost $10,000+ apiece to build, excluding any land cost I don’t buy that for a second - even in extremely expensive areas like the Bay Area, concrete is less than $20/sq ft poured (ie including all costs), and most parking lots I see around here are blacktop which is even cheaper....

Well, anywhere that is popular enough to need parking (e.g. downtown commercial) is going to be more expensive than a standard house lot in SillyValley. A 5000sqft lot is easily $1M and probably more so you're going to need $200/sqft just for land. The minimum size for a compact parking space is 8x16 and area usage isn't better than 50% in a parking lot so you're at 256sqft before you start building anything... that's $5k.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by FullMtlAlcoholc »

benbristow wrote: post #200
ibejoeb wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That all seems like a net positive to me, especially in major urban areas that a very car dependent like Los Angles, Atlanta, Houston... In LA, driving drunk was just the way of life, and it was a real problem. Now, I don't know anyone who prefers driving over ridesharing given the option. Uber Pool makes getting from the east side to the west side faster that public transit for about $10-15, which is less than 1 dri…

$10-15 for a drink? Of liquid gold?

More like a hastily made, watered down well drink.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by FullMtlAlcoholc »

curun1r wrote: post #319
ibejoeb wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$10 for a drink in Los Angeles is absolutely not out of the ordinary. A $10 cocktail is happy-hour price. A $10 glass of wine is going to be basic stuff. $15 for a good cocktail or wine is the going rate. I also mentioned Atlanta and Houston. Both of those are within 10%. I'm picking these because they are large, urban, car-dependent areas that, at least in my opinion, are more livable with ridesharing than without i…

Ride sharing is of tremendous value in the Bay Area since BART irresponsibly stops service at 12:30am. People living in the East Bay often go into SF to drink, so getting home after bars close is a lot easier now. Of course the somewhat ironic thing for people living in the East Bay is that Oakland's social scene has emerged at roughly the same time as ride sharing, so people don't need to go into SF to drink as much…

I never understood that about BART. Why were its hours never extended? It seems like that'd be a sure thing to pass if it makes even a small impact on driving fatalities. I doubt that the taxi union had sway over this?

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Post by wpietri »

yardie wrote: post #18

I’m a big proponent of mass transit and when it’s available I use it if I can. But I can get Lyft door to door for just $1-2 more than a bus or train. If mass transit wants to keep with rideshare and livery they need to: expand routes, increase availability, update their equipment. When I was a kid I knew how to read a bus schedule and train map to plan my trip. Now, there is an entire generation of kids in school an…

> But I can get Lyft door to door for just $1-2 more than a bus or train.

It'll be interesting to see how these prices change when they are no longer subsidized by venture capitalists, contractor drivers, and society at large.

And even more interesting once we have decent self-driving technology. That removes the constraint -- the driver -- that makes public transit and mass transit nearly synonymous. The Personal Rapid Transit crowd has been pushing toward that for years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_rapid_transit

And if cities do it right, PRT will have a big advantage over Uber, et al: they can reshape cities to accommodate the early stages of self-driving vehicles. Special lanes, limited-access roads, designated stopping points. Functioning PRT could arrive years ahead of autonomous taxis.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by fiatjaf »

wpietri wrote: post #327
yardie wrote: post #18

I’m a big proponent of mass transit and when it’s available I use it if I can. But I can get Lyft door to door for just $1-2 more than a bus or train. If mass transit wants to keep with rideshare and livery they need to: expand routes, increase availability, update their equipment. When I was a kid I knew how to read a bus schedule and train map to plan my trip. Now, there is an entire generation of kids in school an…

> But I can get Lyft door to door for just $1-2 more than a bus or train. It'll be interesting to see how these prices change when they are no longer subsidized by venture capitalists, contractor drivers, and society at large. And even more interesting once we have decent self-driving technology. That removes the constraint -- the driver -- that makes public transit and mass transit nearly synonymous. The Personal Ra…

> It'll be interesting to see how these prices change when they are no longer subsidized by venture capitalists, contractor drivers, and society at large.

You say that without realizing that public transport has been subsidized by the State and "society at large" for a hundred years.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by gcr113 »

FullMtlAlcoholc wrote: post #326
curun1r wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ride sharing is of tremendous value in the Bay Area since BART irresponsibly stops service at 12:30am. People living in the East Bay often go into SF to drink, so getting home after bars close is a lot easier now. Of course the somewhat ironic thing for people living in the East Bay is that Oakland's social scene has emerged at roughly the same time as ride sharing, so people don't need to go into SF to drink as much…

I never understood that about BART. Why were its hours never extended? It seems like that'd be a sure thing to pass if it makes even a small impact on driving fatalities. I doubt that the taxi union had sway over this?

BART does not have duplicate tracks, unlike the transit systems in most other major metropolitan areas. The few hours that it stops overnight are required for maintenance. It's basically not an option for BART to run 24/7.

Re: New Research on How Ride-Hailing Impacts Travel Behavior

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Post by wpietri »

fiatjaf wrote: post #328
wpietri wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I can get Lyft door to door for just $1-2 more than a bus or train. It'll be interesting to see how these prices change when they are no longer subsidized by venture capitalists, contractor drivers, and society at large. And even more interesting once we have decent self-driving technology. That removes the constraint -- the driver -- that makes public transit and mass transit nearly synonymous. The Personal Ra…

> It'll be interesting to see how these prices change when they are no longer subsidized by venture capitalists, contractor drivers, and society at large. You say that without realizing that public transport has been subsidized by the State and "society at large" for a hundred years.

Or I could realize it. But also think there's a big difference between subsidizing something available to all citizens and subsidizing a private business.
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