Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes and it says "First-class meal service on a Pan Am 747 in the mid-70s" :)
True, but airlines have absolutely made coach seats smaller and closer together over the years. And we're fatter on average than back then.
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Re: As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane
#22For anyone wondering why airlines are retiring the 747 this Wikipedia section summarizes it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400#Retirement_and_... Summary: Old, inefficient, less need for jumbo jets. Everyone's either buying smaller or migrating to the modern Airbus A380.
And in 2016 there were fears Airbus might even cancel the A380 entirely: https://qz.com/782361/airbus-a380-airlines-are-abandoning-th...
Re: As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane
#23For anyone wondering why airlines are retiring the 747 this Wikipedia section summarizes it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400#Retirement_and_... Summary: Old, inefficient, less need for jumbo jets. Everyone's either buying smaller or migrating to the modern Airbus A380.
Re: As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
True, but airlines have absolutely made coach seats smaller and closer together over the years. And we're fatter on average than back then.
You can still get bigger seats in non coach classes. The market wants cheap tickets not comfort which is why the airlines keeps shrinking the seats.
Re: As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane
#25Boeing is still selling 747-8, but most are sold as freight variant. It hasn't sold a single 747-8 passenger variant to major carrier in 5 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-8#747-8_Intercontin... But the death of 4 engine plane trend continues even for A380. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A380_orders_and...
Re: As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane
#26I used to fly these every two weeks, KL691 and KL692 the flights between Schiphol, Netherhands and Toronto, Canada. Then at some point they moved to 777's, and even though it was a nice plane and far more modern the 747 almost never had a turbulent ride whereas the 777 trips were far less comfortable, especially the red-eye return flight rarely was smooth enough that I could get some sleep. Retiring the 747 was one (…
I wonder if the increase in turbulence was due to climate change.
Re: As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane
#27For anyone wondering why airlines are retiring the 747 this Wikipedia section summarizes it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400#Retirement_and_... Summary: Old, inefficient, less need for jumbo jets. Everyone's either buying smaller or migrating to the modern Airbus A380.
That and the fact that to be legal to fly in the US (possibly elsewhere) as of 2018, they'll need an expensive fuel tank inerting system retrofitted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inerting_system
Have been talked about for many years, but became a formal rule only recently.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-internation...
Re: As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane
#28This is an interesting book on the history of Pan Am and the role the 747 played: [SKYGODS: The Fall of Pan Am]( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004J173SS/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?... )
Re: As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane
#29I used to fly these every two weeks, KL691 and KL692 the flights between Schiphol, Netherhands and Toronto, Canada. Then at some point they moved to 777's, and even though it was a nice plane and far more modern the 747 almost never had a turbulent ride whereas the 777 trips were far less comfortable, especially the red-eye return flight rarely was smooth enough that I could get some sleep. Retiring the 747 was one (…
Re: As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane
#30For anyone wondering why airlines are retiring the 747 this Wikipedia section summarizes it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400#Retirement_and_... Summary: Old, inefficient, less need for jumbo jets. Everyone's either buying smaller or migrating to the modern Airbus A380.
Remember that Boeing's original plan was to use the 747 as a freighter. Passengers would fly on supersonic jets like their prototype 2707 SST. This is why the 747's cockpit is on top, it provided a continuous open tube for cargo underneath. http://www.nycaviation.com/newspage/wp-content/uploads/2015/...