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As the 747 Begins Its Final Approach, a Pilot Takes a Flight Down Memory Lane

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Yes and it says "First-class meal service on a Pan Am 747 in the mid-70s" :)

True, but airlines have absolutely made coach seats smaller and closer together over the years. And we're fatter on average than back then.

Fatter and taller

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For anyone wondering why airlines are retiring the 747 this Wikipedia section summarizes it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400#Retirement_and_... Summary: Old, inefficient, less need for jumbo jets. Everyone's either buying smaller or migrating to the modern Airbus A380.

The A380 isn't that popular either. The A380 only makes sense for really popular routes with a guaranteed high passenger count, whereas the 787 is more flexible because it has a similar range and takes less passengers but is almost as efficient per passenger-mile.

And in 2016 there were fears Airbus might even cancel the A380 entirely: https://qz.com/782361/airbus-a380-airlines-are-abandoning-th...

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For anyone wondering why airlines are retiring the 747 this Wikipedia section summarizes it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400#Retirement_and_... Summary: Old, inefficient, less need for jumbo jets. Everyone's either buying smaller or migrating to the modern Airbus A380.

That and the fact that to be legal to fly in the US (possibly elsewhere) as of 2018, they'll need an expensive fuel tank inerting system retrofitted.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but airlines have absolutely made coach seats smaller and closer together over the years. And we're fatter on average than back then.

You can still get bigger seats in non coach classes. The market wants cheap tickets not comfort which is why the airlines keeps shrinking the seats.

You could still get the overstuffed seats in economy on United. The interiors were otherwise decrepit but their 747s maintained those comfy seats up until the end.

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Boeing is still selling 747-8, but most are sold as freight variant. It hasn't sold a single 747-8 passenger variant to major carrier in 5 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-8#747-8_Intercontin... But the death of 4 engine plane trend continues even for A380. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A380_orders_and...

End of the line is predicted for Q3 2019 or slightly after that if they can get some more orders, manufacturing is now down to 6 per year.

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I used to fly these every two weeks, KL691 and KL692 the flights between Schiphol, Netherhands and Toronto, Canada. Then at some point they moved to 777's, and even though it was a nice plane and far more modern the 747 almost never had a turbulent ride whereas the 777 trips were far less comfortable, especially the red-eye return flight rarely was smooth enough that I could get some sleep. Retiring the 747 was one (…

I wonder if the increase in turbulence was due to climate change.

I really don't see how that would relate to each other, there was a pretty strong correlation to which aircraft the flight was in and the routes were very similar.

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For anyone wondering why airlines are retiring the 747 this Wikipedia section summarizes it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400#Retirement_and_... Summary: Old, inefficient, less need for jumbo jets. Everyone's either buying smaller or migrating to the modern Airbus A380.

That and the fact that to be legal to fly in the US (possibly elsewhere) as of 2018, they'll need an expensive fuel tank inerting system retrofitted.

This was interesting, thanks. For others: "inerting" is process of keeping fuel tanks filled with inert gases like nitrogen to decrease the change of a fuel tank explosion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inerting_system

Have been talked about for many years, but became a formal rule only recently.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-internation...

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This is an interesting book on the history of Pan Am and the role the 747 played: [SKYGODS: The Fall of Pan Am]( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004J173SS/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?... )

For an early history of Pan Am with another type of plane check "China Clipper: The Age of the Great Flying Boats" by Robert Gandt.

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I used to fly these every two weeks, KL691 and KL692 the flights between Schiphol, Netherhands and Toronto, Canada. Then at some point they moved to 777's, and even though it was a nice plane and far more modern the 747 almost never had a turbulent ride whereas the 777 trips were far less comfortable, especially the red-eye return flight rarely was smooth enough that I could get some sleep. Retiring the 747 was one (…

Did you notice any meaningful difference in arrival / departure times, in terms of the planes being on-time, with the 747 vs the 777?

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For anyone wondering why airlines are retiring the 747 this Wikipedia section summarizes it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747-400#Retirement_and_... Summary: Old, inefficient, less need for jumbo jets. Everyone's either buying smaller or migrating to the modern Airbus A380.

Remember that Boeing's original plan was to use the 747 as a freighter. Passengers would fly on supersonic jets like their prototype 2707 SST. This is why the 747's cockpit is on top, it provided a continuous open tube for cargo underneath. http://www.nycaviation.com/newspage/wp-content/uploads/2015/...

Has there ever been a flying wing approach to freight flights?
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