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Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory

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That is pretty common, dare I say almost a human right. It is suddenly becoming clear to me why people in America hate capitalism. I just thought it was bunch of lazy fucks who didn't want to work, but if you are regularly allowing employers to get away with shit like this, then it's no wonder.

Could you please post more civilly and thoughtfully? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory

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Musk seems to think that somebody like Chris Lattner is not good enough for Tesla, so his definition of a 'low performer' definitely seems a bit off. I just hope that the applies the same evaluative metrics to himself.

In a 'Groucho Marx'-ian turn, what would Elon do if he judged himself wanting? Would he have to find a successor, or would he just walk?

It is a hard question to answer, as my ideal would be to reflect on his findings and adjust his behaviour/expectations towards others to match, however I am not sure many people in his position are actually capable of such deep introspection.

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You can always stack rank your employees and select some people at the bottom, regardless of how amazingly awesome your entire talent pool may be. Those at the bottom are not made awful at their job due to your having ranked them there. No need to label and insult them on their way out when you have to tighten your company's belt.

You will always have a worst employee, but that's not what "dead weight" means. To be dead weight at a company with good talent, you have to be multiple categories below almost everyone. >No need to label and insult them on their way out You never need to say when someone didn't do their job, but it's not a terrible thing to do so either. Don't go out of your way to be insulting, but if the basic facts of the situati…

Only disagreeing that that "dead weight" even needed to be brought up.

> Do you think they're lying?

No, no, I implicitly trust all communications from corporate authority figures, of course.

Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory

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I think people question GM's long term commitment to electric cars based on its history and legacy ICE business. That may change, but it's going to take awhile from anyone who remembers how the EV1 went. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

I never drove an EV1 or anything, but I remember people being really mad they wouldn't sell them at prices equivalent to the really cheap leases they offered them to the public with, and that they had mediocre range (and remember NiMH batteries? Ew!).

> and remember NiMH batteries? Ew!

In 25 years, I'm sure we'll be saying the same about our current lithium ion chemistries. You engineer with the technology you have, not the future technology you wish you had. ;)

Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory

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You will always have a worst employee, but that's not what "dead weight" means. To be dead weight at a company with good talent, you have to be multiple categories below almost everyone. >No need to label and insult them on their way out You never need to say when someone didn't do their job, but it's not a terrible thing to do so either. Don't go out of your way to be insulting, but if the basic facts of the situati…

Only disagreeing that that "dead weight" even needed to be brought up. > Do you think they're lying? No, no, I implicitly trust all communications from corporate authority figures, of course.

> Only disagreeing that that "dead weight" even needed to be brought up.

I think it's relevant in a discussion of why a firing occurred. (And that overall discussion has a lot of upvote weight.)

> No, no, I implicitly trust all communications from corporate authority figures, of course.

That's a total deflection. Lack of trust does not let you figure out if any particular statement is true or not. Even dumber than blind trust is to assume everything a corporation ever says is a lie.

So is it your evaluation of the situation that this particular statement is a lie?

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I never drove an EV1 or anything, but I remember people being really mad they wouldn't sell them at prices equivalent to the really cheap leases they offered them to the public with, and that they had mediocre range (and remember NiMH batteries? Ew!).

> and remember NiMH batteries? Ew! In 25 years, I'm sure we'll be saying the same about our current lithium ion chemistries. You engineer with the technology you have, not the future technology you wish you had. ;)

Even after some huge advance that rendered lithium-ion obsolete, I imagine I would still think of them as the line in the sand between batteries that worked okay and batteries that were pretty good.

Not just for electric cars, things like cordless tools, lithium-ion versions are much nicer than anything that preceded them.

Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory

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I think you missed the essence of my comment which was "there is no stack ranking and being evaluated as underperforming is then not a result of stack ranking". I'm not sure what you mean by `occasional underperformance`? I'm talking about a yearly performance evaluation, in my opinion an overall underperforming for a year is not "occasional", it shows something systemic. The truth is that sometimes we make bad hirin…

A single occurrence is never systemic.

You haven't defined what you mean by "single occurrence"? To me being low one month, or during a two months project can be a single occurrence, but that wouldn't lead to a "bad perf review" (at least not in my team). Being clearly underperforming for a complete year without changes after setting up intermediate goals for improvements is not a "single occurrence". When a Sr. Staff which is less productive than other junior engineers, and requires the same level of guidance, something isn't right.

Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory

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Then move!

My job doesn't offer full-time remote work, and as soon as you move to the outsides of Munich you pay the rent difference in transportation cost. No way.

Why do you feel the need to work in Munich?

There are thousands of places to work all over the world.

By all means work in Munich if you want to. But to choose to live and work in a city and then complain about rent is absurd.

Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory

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A single occurrence is never systemic.

You haven't defined what you mean by "single occurrence"? To me being low one month, or during a two months project can be a single occurrence, but that wouldn't lead to a "bad perf review" (at least not in my team). Being clearly underperforming for a complete year without changes after setting up intermediate goals for improvements is not a "single occurrence". When a Sr. Staff which is less productive than other j…

A single bad review.

Re: Tesla fires hundreds from headquarters, factory

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Only disagreeing that that "dead weight" even needed to be brought up. > Do you think they're lying? No, no, I implicitly trust all communications from corporate authority figures, of course.

> Only disagreeing that that "dead weight" even needed to be brought up. I think it's relevant in a discussion of why a firing occurred. (And that overall discussion has a lot of upvote weight.) > No, no, I implicitly trust all communications from corporate authority figures, of course. That's a total deflection. Lack of trust does not let you figure out if any particular statement is true or not. Even dumber than bl…

Lack of trust should mean the burden of proof is on the untrusted. Waiting to fire (not lay off) bad employees en mass at least smells funny, you have people who weren't fired saying it hurt morale, and possible ulterior motives. But no, no hard evidence, only justified lack of trust.

I never said that statement was a lie (your word not mine); I have no reason to take their claims at face value either.

So by all means, let's continue talking about how much those loser dead weights who got fired must have sucked.

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