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The Depression Thing

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Re: The Depression Thing

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The medical community calls what you're doing "terminal uniqueness" and I've noticed that this is very prevalent with people who suffer from depression: "Those therapies won't work on me, I am different, I need a special treatment". Sleep, eat well, keep active. Nothing about that advice is dangerous. But it is hard to do if you aren't in the habit of doing it. (I know what you're going to say next, "but chemicals in…

> Sleep, eat well, keep active. Nothing about that advice is dangerous except if the response to "I tried, but it doesn't work for me" is "your depression makes it even harder, but that is literally irrelevant". Your parent post didn't leave enough room for "try something else, but don't forget these once you're fit enough".

> except if the response to "I tried, but it doesn't work for me" is "your depression makes it even harder, but that is literally irrelevant"

In my experience dealing with depressed people, me included, there’s a huge spectrum in what “tried” means.

Doing it once won’t help much. Forcing yourself to consistently do it every day for 2 years? Now we’re talking.

If after 2 years of doing things that are known to up your spirits in at least some segment of the population every day you still don’t see absolutely any results, then you get to say it doesn’t work.

After all, you wouldn’t expect antidepressants to work unless you take them every day.

If you’re on meds and some days you feel like taking them and others you don’t, and you actually follow that schedule. Do you expect those meds to work?

It’s not the trying and it not working that doesn’t matter. It’s the not feeling like doing things that doesn’t matter. Gotta do it anyway. Whether it's exercise, taking meds, or going to therapy. If you don't do it, it can't help.

Re: The Depression Thing

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Careful with that advice. It might have been good for you, it might be good for a lot of depressive people, but definitely not for all. Before I turned twenty I met two people my age who took your advice and exercised until ambulances had to pick them up (literally). Whatever you do to counter your depression, have a trustworthy, knowledgeable aid at your side: a therapist.

I've tried to find help for something like depression for almost two decades from therapy. As much as I have wanted it to be, I haven't found therapy to be particularly powerful. Running is weak also, but insomuch as all you can do is fight and claw your way out of depression[^], long runs, in my experience, can aid to some degree. [^]Which may very well be a symptom of something(s) we don't understand yet, rather th…

Have you tried not fighting?

Re: The Depression Thing

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you said "[exercise] might be good for a lot of depressive people, but definitely not for all." Which is dead wrong. Exercise is good for humans, depressed or not. You also said, "Before I turned twenty I met two people my age who took your advice and exercised until ambulances had to pick them up (literally). " ...apparently as a warning that exercise is dangerous. But as you can see, it's a ridiculous statement. Su…

i read it as "might be good enough", which is entirely closer to the meaning that parent was trying to get at, I think.

Also I don’t think gp was trying very hard (at all?) to understand this point

Re: The Depression Thing

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There are a lot of comments here about their depression, so I thought I'd throw my experience in here since it's slightly different.

Last year, after having these episodes that I didn't recognize for a while that were seizures, I went to the doctor, had an MRI, and was started on the anti-seizure drug Keppra. The seizures went away, and I thought it was half funny this whole experience. Time ticked on for a month or so and things started going downhill. I have a programming and a golf blog, and I didn't have the energy to keep writing. I loved going to the gym and I just stopped being able to go. I love watching the Brewers every night on tv, but I half stopped being able to do that. It got to the point where for a few days in a row, I'd get back at around 5 and just sit in my living room chair in the dark until 9 and then I'd feel legit going to sleep.

I knew I was having issues, issues that I thought were "natural", so I'd force myself to get out of the house. The biggest point was when I told myself to go out and buy some tea or something. So I took the train down there, made myself be friendly to the person working, and then decided to walk back. About halfway to the house I lived in I couldn't move, didn't have any of the energy, so I sat on a stoop for over an hour just unable to get up.

There are so many side effects of anti-seizure pills which list everything you can think of mentally. And at some point I figured the pills could be the cause. I contacted the doctor who said stop taking the pills and made an appointment for a few days after to get a new drug.

The morning after I didn't take the nighttime dose, I woke up and I could feel the depression going away. It's impossible to describe the feeling of knowing the issues were evaporating. I was out in the sun and felt happier. I could move. I could stand. The desire to do things was coming back. Three days later the depression was completely gone.

It's tough for me to know if my feelings exactly match other people's depressions. I've never been the person to give advice to people with depression; It's obviously impossible to relate if you haven't experienced it yourself. There still isn't any advice I'd be able to give because it's just sitting there, being in control of you, and even when your head knows that you need to be active, knows that sitting there isn't the right thing to do, depression will still win that battle. I was so lucky that my issues were caused by a drug that I could stop taking, and that the issues vanished so quickly. I think back and can't imagine how difficult a life is when your actions aren't causing the depression, but be stuck with the depression thing caused by nature.

Re: The Depression Thing

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Same experiences here. I've just noticed that sleeping, proper diet, and exercise are things that just keep me in motion. I guess one way to cope is to just build momentum. At the very least, I can say that I feel satisfied about things that I've accomplished, even if I still don't feel great about myself. And that is at least enough to keep me getting out of bed every morning instead of moping around.

"An object in motion stays in motion" definitely fits here.

Although it’s not really true- you have to become depressed after all

Re: The Depression Thing

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I was diagnosed with "major depression" when I was 14, did the medication and therapy thing for a bit but the medication made me a zombie. Therapy helped me learn to cope a little better, but I was never "cured" of my depression. My 20s have been pretty bad, but in the last year and a half I've lost 100+lbs and have been running and lifting. It turns out the common sense advice to depression was really what I needed…

Bare in mind what the post talks about that for some people, telling them to go running just makes them feel worse because they can't even get up the energy to get off the sofa. I think it depends on how deep down the hole you are, plus clearly some things work better for others.

Or maybe they don’t believe you when you say it would help

Re: The Depression Thing

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I was diagnosed with "major depression" when I was 14, did the medication and therapy thing for a bit but the medication made me a zombie. Therapy helped me learn to cope a little better, but I was never "cured" of my depression. My 20s have been pretty bad, but in the last year and a half I've lost 100+lbs and have been running and lifting. It turns out the common sense advice to depression was really what I needed…

I was going to post this exact same thing. I was """diagnosed""" by multiple psychs as having major depression and general anxiety. At the lowest points, I tried to kill myself using fake nembutal ordered from some stranger in Mexico, and about a year after that I quit my high-paying dev job, burning a ton of bridges, and literally did not leave my apartment or brush my teeth for 2 months. I had previously tried every variety of medication and they did nothing or made it worse.

A friend who had been through something similar recommended the simple fix of sleep, diet (basically just more plants, more animal protein, way less sugar, and way less alcohol), weightlifting, and sunlight. After about a year or so I felt completely fine. I look great, feel great, and my career is back on track. It's obviously just a single person's experience but I'm inclined to believe the majority of "depression" cases can be fixed by this.

Furthermore, treating it as a disease rather than just a bad mood made it _way_ worse, as I was able to rationalize the fact that my life was crippled by it and that was ok because it was a disease and my hands were tied. Once I treated it as something I could fix I made vast improvements.

Re: The Depression Thing

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I was diagnosed with "major depression" when I was 14, did the medication and therapy thing for a bit but the medication made me a zombie. Therapy helped me learn to cope a little better, but I was never "cured" of my depression. My 20s have been pretty bad, but in the last year and a half I've lost 100+lbs and have been running and lifting. It turns out the common sense advice to depression was really what I needed…

I struggle with depression. I haven't had any therapy, but taking my bike out to the forest and going for a good long ride in the trees does wonders for me. The adrenaline of a cross country ride and the deep fatigue after a couple of hours on the bike both help me to quiet my overactive mind.

Re: The Depression Thing

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Careful with that advice. It might have been good for you, it might be good for a lot of depressive people, but definitely not for all. Before I turned twenty I met two people my age who took your advice and exercised until ambulances had to pick them up (literally). Whatever you do to counter your depression, have a trustworthy, knowledgeable aid at your side: a therapist.

> Careful with that advice. [...] Whatever you do to counter your depression, have a trustworthy, knowledgeable aid at your side: a therapist. Quoting the UiA, "One [1988] study indicates that 70% of therapists had seen for treatment at least one patient who had had sex with a previous therapist. Of the latter, 96% were male." [1] I guess the moral of my comment is - be careful giving advice (period) 1: http://encycl…

I'm not sure how this page is meant to work but I can't find the study this claim came from? It's linking to a book?
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